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On VTES-L, "....salem christ...." <k940...@BOHM.ANU.EDU.AU> wrote:
> >sh...@leme.anu.edu.au wrote:
> >> Can Rotschreck be played on an aggravated hand strike which is dealing
> >> 0 damage be of erosion, disease, song of serenity, disarm or whatever?
> >
> >No, since attempting to use zero aggravated damage doesn't count
> >as attempting to use aggravated damage (just as successfully
> >bleeding for zero doesn't count as successfully bleeding).
>
> but bleeding for zero DOES count as a successful action (unless blocked)
> and costs have to be paid for said bleed action (if any).
Right. Unblocked action = successful action.
Unblocked bleed for 0 or less = unsuccessful bleed.
> [not that we should really be comparing strikes with actions (even though
> that's the analogy we came up with last night when discussing this.)]
> it just seems to me that attempting to strike: hands when hands are
> aggravated should count as "attempts to inflict aggrovated damage, whether
> successfully or not".
Sorry. It requires "one or more". Just as the bit about bleeding
requires "one or more".
>i mean, rotschrek doesn't care if you have a skin of
> night (which, when it gets to strike res phase, counts the agg as normal).
> so why would it care if your damage was 0 or less, when the fact that it
Because you're not "attempt[ing] to use aggravated damage against a
vampire" (card text on Rotschreck).
You're attempting to use zero (or less) aggravated damage, which is
different.
> wouldn't hurt the opposing minion doesn't become apparent until strike res
> (not that rotshrek has previously cared whether the strike's going to work
> during strike res or not)
Because it is already declared not to be doing any damage (zero or less).
> also, if minion A strikes for 0 hand damage, and minion B strikes for -1
> hand damage, does A count as having done more damage than B (for pulled
> fangs purposes, etc.) or do they both count as having done the same damage
> (ie: 0).
When resolved (inflicted), damage of less than zero is treated as zero,
just like bleeds of less than zero are treated as zero when resolved.
(So no Pulled Fangs, etc.)
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