Blythe Candeleria

I have one copy of this vampire, and she has AUS (And THA, for 3...). It looks like she has been errated and now only had Aus ? Does that mean I no longer have the right to play her with AUS ? -- Yours, Orpheus, Prince of Marseille http://no.exit.free.fr (onlive novel) http://cypheranima.free.fr (goth band) news://news.zoo-logique.org/VTES-francophone audio...@yahoogroups.com

Orpheus wrote: > > I have one copy of this vampire, and she has AUS (And THA, for 3...). It > looks like she has been errated and now only had Aus ? Does that mean I no > longer have the right to play her with AUS ? Your rights are up to your group. Officially, Blythe has normal, not superior, Auspex (and superior Thamaturgy). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > I have one copy of this vampire, and she has AUS (And THA, for 3...). It > > looks like she has been errated and now only had Aus ? Does that mean I no > > longer have the right to play her with AUS ? > > Your rights are up to your group. So I guess in tournament environment she legally has Aus... > Officially, Blythe has normal, not superior, Auspex (and superior > Thamaturgy). Just curious : is this misprinted version very common ? Were all of them printed this way, then errated ? Thank you. Orpheus

Orpheus wrote: > > > > I have one copy of this vampire, and she has AUS (And THA, for 3...). It > > > looks like she has been errated and now only had Aus ? Does that mean I > no > > > longer have the right to play her with AUS ? > > > > Your rights are up to your group. > > So I guess in tournament environment she legally has Aus... In a VEKN tournament, correct. In a non-sanctioned tournament, it's up to the judge (or whatever ruling authority that tournament recognizes). > > Officially, Blythe has normal, not superior, Auspex (and superior > > Thamaturgy). > > Just curious : is this misprinted version very common ? Were all of them > printed this way, then errated ? Blythe has only been printed once - in Dark Sovereigns. All the copies in print are the same. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Orpheus wrote: > > > > > > I have one copy of this vampire, and she has AUS (And THA, for 3...). It > > > > looks like she has been errated and now only had Aus ? Does that mean I > > no > > > > longer have the right to play her with AUS ? > > > > > > Your rights are up to your group. > > > > So I guess in tournament environment she legally has Aus... > > In a VEKN tournament, correct. > In a non-sanctioned tournament, it's up to the judge (or whatever > ruling authority that tournament recognizes). > > > > Officially, Blythe has normal, not superior, Auspex (and superior > > > Thamaturgy). > > > > Just curious : is this misprinted version very common ? Were all of them > > printed this way, then errated ? > > Blythe has only been printed once - in Dark Sovereigns. > All the copies in print are the same. > This may sound like a silly question, or at least has been answered before, but how come she was errated if they are all the same. Compared to Anvil, she is nowhere near undercosted, and compared to others isn't particularly. Just seems strange to me, but maybe she will get reprinted, and then we don't need to worry about such things. Andy "Slytherin" Brown VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge

Andy Brown wrote: > This may sound like a silly question, or at least has been answered > before, but how come she was errated if they are all the same. Compared > to Anvil, she is nowhere near undercosted, and compared to others isn't > particularly. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4a8ii3%24djf%40darkstar.UCSC.EDU [TOM 08-DEC-1995] No reasons were given. Likely the reason is: she was misprinted (as opposed to Anvil). Although she may have needed errata even without considering designer intent - AUS THA for 4 is very different than Anvil's situation. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Andy Brown wrote: > > This may sound like a silly question, or at least has been answered > > before, but how come she was errated if they are all the same. Compared > > to Anvil, she is nowhere near undercosted, and compared to others isn't > > particularly. > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4a8ii3%24djf%40darkstar.UCSC.EDU > [TOM 08-DEC-1995] > > No reasons were given. Likely the reason is: she was misprinted > (as opposed to Anvil). Although she may have needed errata even > without considering designer intent - AUS THA for 4 is very Typo (Blythe seems to invite that :-) - that should say "3", of course. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > > > > Andy Brown wrote: > > > This may sound like a silly question, or at least has been answered > > > before, but how come she was errated if they are all the same. Compared > > > to Anvil, she is nowhere near undercosted, and compared to others isn't > > > particularly. > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4a8ii3%24djf%40darkstar.UCSC.EDU > > [TOM 08-DEC-1995] > > > > No reasons were given. Likely the reason is: she was misprinted > > (as opposed to Anvil). Although she may have needed errata even > > without considering designer intent - AUS THA for 4 is very > > Typo (Blythe seems to invite that :-) - that should say "3", of course. > > > different than Anvil's situation. > But she does have a disadvantage of -1 hand damage (strength) against Malkavians. Whilst this is only against 1 clan, it is still a disadvantage that could be considered enough to balance the increased Auspex. Just a thought, but as no reason was originally given, and I assume it has been since originally printed, it is unlikely to change, and isn't that big in the grand scheme of things. Andy VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge -- Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outragous fortune, or get fat on chocolate cake, eat the cake, life is too short to worry!

Andy Brown wrote: > But she does have a disadvantage of -1 hand damage (strength) against > Malkavians. Whilst this is only against 1 clan, it is still a > disadvantage > that could be considered enough to balance the increased Auspex. That's a 1/2 point disad (probably much less, actually). So already (with aus THA), she's ahead of the game by at least a half a point. [ quoted text not captured ]

>> But she does have a disadvantage of -1 hand damage (strength) against >> Malkavians. Whilst this is only against 1 clan, it is still a >> disadvantage >> that could be considered enough to balance the increased Auspex. > >That's a 1/2 point disad (probably much less, actually). >So already (with aus THA), she's ahead of the game by at least a >half a point. Well, how about Zoe then? A 3-cap with 4 points of disciplines and a 1/2 point disadvantage (don't try to claim it's worth a full point when she has obfuscate!). Maybe Zoe only has inferior Auspex as well! (Printer kept mistaking big eye for little eye...). Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > Well, how about Zoe then? > > A 3-cap with 4 points of disciplines and a 1/2 point disadvantage (don't try to > claim it's worth a full point when she has obfuscate!). It's worth a full point. :-) Having obfuscate and is not the same as having stealth. Even at a full point, Zoe's ahead of the game (now, but not with the out-of-clan costing scheme used at the time, if I remember that scheme correctly). Even if it's not, if it's only worth 0.001 point, that would just mean Zoe's above the scale (too), not that Blythe wasn't. > Maybe Zoe only has inferior Auspex as well! (Printer kept mistaking big eye for > little eye...). She apparently was not misprinted (no errata issued by the DT/RT who did so at the time for Blythe). [ quoted text not captured ]

> That's a 1/2 point disad (probably much less, actually). > So already (with aus THA), she's ahead of the game by at least a > half a point. > > -- > LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. > Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: > http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Tremere caring about -1 hand damage? How about Teft of Vitae? :) I think that shoul be 1/8 point disadvantage :) - Guzmo

> Tremere caring about -1 hand damage? Yes, but against the dreaded Malkavians, that's where it really hurts !! ;-) How about Teft of Vitae? :) > > I think that shoul be 1/8 point disadvantage :) How about 1/16nth ? Still, I would ahve liked to play her... Also was disappointed to see that all the 3 caps with AUS were Camarilla...

In message <3CBADA2D...@sanger.ac.uk>, Andy Brown <a...@sanger.ac.uk> mumbled something about: >But she does have a disadvantage of -1 hand damage (strength) against >Malkavians. Whilst this is only against 1 clan, it is still a >disadvantage >that could be considered enough to balance the increased Auspex. When was the last time you made a hand strike with Blythe? Every time I influence out Blythe, she plays cards like "Theft of Vitae", "Weather Control", and "Walk of Flame". She hasn't made a hand strike yet that I can remember. THA aus for a 3-cap is already a bit strong. THA AUS on a 3-cap is just huge, especially in current conditions. -- "There's no gray. There's just white that's got grubby." -- T.P.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3CBADC0B...@white-wolf.com... > Andy Brown wrote: > > But she does have a disadvantage of -1 hand damage (strength) against > > Malkavians. Whilst this is only against 1 clan, it is still a > > disadvantage > > that could be considered enough to balance the increased Auspex. > > That's a 1/2 point disad (probably much less, actually). > So already (with aus THA), she's ahead of the game by at least a > half a point. +1 point for being a vampire +1 point for inferior Revelations capability +1 point for being a master card away from bleed bounce capability and Telepathic Vote Counting utility. -5 points for being afflicted with THA +1 point (grudgingly) because at least the design team printed Magic of the Smith and Rutor's Hand +0.5 points for the ability to haul a member of her clan's sorry ass out of torpor with Chantry on a once per turn basis -0.25 for -1 strength vs. Malkavians. +0.75 for Arcane Library. She's probably as useful face down as up. mattgreen. -- Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

[ quoted text not captured ] It would be REALLY nice if Blythe were to get reprinted in the Tremere starter. If she doesn't make an appearance in "The Camarilla", maybe she could be reprinted correctly as a promo to include in tournament prize support? BernieTime

"bernietime" <berni...@attbi.comHOLDLeSPAM> wrote in message news:3cbaf4ff...@netnews.attbi.com... [snip] > maybe she could be reprinted correctly as a promo to include in tournament > prize support? > > BernieTime Yeah, provided that you actually care about the errata and want to see a reprinted version. What about the rest of us? Dave Hammond: "Matt! Congratulations on winning the 30 person Powerbase: Watford after 8 hours of continuous play. Here's your prize: a corrected Blythe Candeleria!" mattgreen: "But Dave, she's a worthless piece of s##t. I've got 56 copies of her stashed in my "Shoebox of All Things Tremere" under my bed. All in mint condition" DH: "Sorry Matt, that's the prize support" mg "Are there no alternatives? Meddling of Semsith? A poster? Some glass blood counters? The Assamite Pre-con?" DH: "Sorry..." man that would suck. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Matt Green" <mgre...@bcuc.ac.uk> wrote in message > [snip] > > maybe she could be reprinted correctly as a promo to include in tournament > > prize support? > > > > BernieTime > > > Yeah, provided that you actually care about the errata and want to see a > reprinted version. What about the rest of us? C'mon man, we share our card collection. Don't you reckon it's about time you told everyone ? I'm sorry Green me old mucker consider yourself 'outed'...... It's official Ladies and Germs, Matt Green has our entire (considerable) collection of all things Tremere, magic, David Copperfield, Paul Daniels, ruby slippers, fairy wands etc etc. in his possession. Everything is either framed or mounted and make up the wallpaper (ooh did I say wallpaper? :o) in all but one of the rooms of his house and in the house of his childhood years. If I ask for anything even related to the Tremere, all I get is a hail of abuse and expletives. > Dave Hammond: "Matt! Congratulations on winning the 30 person > Powerbase: Watford after 8 hours of continuous play. Here's your prize: > a corrected Blythe Candeleria!" > mattgreen: "But Dave, she's a worthless piece of s##t. I've got 56 > copies of her stashed in my "Shoebox of All Things Tremere" under my > bed. All in mint condition" > DH: "Sorry Matt, that's the prize support" > mg "Are there no alternatives? Meddling of Semsith? A poster? Some glass > blood counters? The Assamite Pre-con?" > DH: "Sorry..." matt: <<<walks off, head held low, feigning disappointment whilst rubbing hands and cackling to himself>>> > man that would suck. Ooooooooooor would it ????? Rob

Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<odplbuodimq7ku54u...@4ax.com>... > In message <3CBADA2D...@sanger.ac.uk>, > Andy Brown <a...@sanger.ac.uk> mumbled something about: > > >But she does have a disadvantage of -1 hand damage (strength) against > >Malkavians. Whilst this is only against 1 clan, it is still a > >disadvantage > >that could be considered enough to balance the increased Auspex. > > When was the last time you made a hand strike with Blythe? It's happened once that I can recall. My Ozmo was trapped by the little get on a hunt action, and She thefted (to cycle) and got hit, going to empty and then second round decided to punch him into torpor, thinking that it was an even trade. Ooopps. I think I ended up winning because of that, but it was a while ago. The awful thing was the player had a walk of flames in hand, but had decided to save it for the next block. -->you know who you are. Cameron

LSJ wrote: > > LSJ wrote: > > > > Andy Brown wrote: > > > This may sound like a silly question, or at least has been answered > > > before, but how come she was errated if they are all the same. Compared > > > to Anvil, she is nowhere near undercosted, and compared to others isn't > > > particularly. > > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4a8ii3%24djf%40darkstar.UCSC.EDU > > [TOM 08-DEC-1995] > > > > No reasons were given. Likely the reason is: she was misprinted > > (as opposed to Anvil). Although she may have needed errata even > > without considering designer intent - AUS THA for 4 is very > > Typo (Blythe seems to invite that :-) - that should say "3", of course. > Arggg. errata on his clarifications! :) Raille