LSJ - Quick Question

Is obedience playable by a blocking vampire? It says usable by a vampire entering combat with a younger vampire, but since it is a reaction card, is it played before the vampire is tapped for a successful block or can it not played because the vampire is tapped from blocking? Ex: Theo Bell (7) rushes Gideon (3) and Democritus (10) blocks. Can Democritus obedience? Thanks, Dan

"Bordo101" <bord...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20010826182315...@mb-ch.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes he can.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote > Roger Carhult wrote: > > > > "Bordo101" <bord...@aol.com> wrote > > > Is obedience playable by a blocking vampire? It says usable by a vampire > > > entering combat with a younger vampire, but since it is a reaction card, > > is it > > > played before the vampire is tapped for a successful block or can it not > > played > > > because the vampire is tapped from blocking? > > > > > > Ex: Theo Bell (7) rushes Gideon (3) and Democritus (10) blocks. Can > > > Democritus obedience? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Dan > > > > Yes he can. > > Correct. If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, can Democritus Obedience? - Jason Bell

>If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, >can Democritus Obedience? No. Not unless he Wakes/FA's first and then plays Obedience. Halcyan 2

In message <9tAi7.188631$J37.47...@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>, Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> writes >If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, >can Democritus Obedience? Current card text (see White Wolf site) provides no exceptions for tapped vampires to break the reaction rules. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Close your eyes so you don't feel them EBD690ECD7A1F They don't need to see you cry B457CA213D7E6 I can't promise I will heal you, but if you want to I will try 68C3695D623D5D

Jason Bell wrote: > If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, > can Democritus Obedience? No. Tapped vampire cannot play reaction cards. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:53:21 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Jason Bell wrote: >> If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, >> can Democritus Obedience? > >No. Tapped vampire cannot play reaction cards. > But he could if he blocked the enter combat action. T

[ quoted text not captured ] Tapped vampires cannot block, either. But sure. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:11:33 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: >> >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:53:21 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Jason Bell wrote: >> >> If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, >> >> can Democritus Obedience? >> > >> >No. Tapped vampire cannot play reaction cards. >> > >> >> But he could if he blocked the enter combat action. > >Tapped vampires cannot block, either. But sure. > There was a clipped bit about Demo untapping first. After which, I was assuming he could attempt the block and if successful play the obedience when 'tapped'. Speaking of tappedness....can mariel/the investigator, etc use their tap effects in torpor? T

Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:53:21 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > >> wrote: > >> >Jason Bell wrote: > >> >> If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, > >> >> can Democritus Obedience? > >> > > >> >No. Tapped vampire cannot play reaction cards. > >> > >> But he could if he blocked the enter combat action. > > > >Tapped vampires cannot block, either. But sure. > > There was a clipped bit about Demo untapping first. After which, I > was assuming he could attempt the block and if successful play the > obedience when 'tapped'. If so, then he needn't block first - if he can play reaction cards, he can play reaction cards. > Speaking of tappedness....can mariel/the investigator, etc use their > tap effects in torpor? If the ability doesn't require them to be ready, sure. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:53:21 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Jason Bell wrote: > > >> If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, > > >> can Democritus Obedience? > > > > > >No. Tapped vampire cannot play reaction cards. > > > > > > > But he could if he blocked the enter combat action. > > Tapped vampires cannot block, either. But sure. > what about WWEF? Do not replace until your next untap phase. Only usable by a tapped vampire. This reacting vamipre can use reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. But notice the card never says you untap, thus a tapped vampire can block in the proper event sequence. Raille

[ quoted text not captured ] Right. [1.4] I don't find it necessary to say "card text can override this rule" after every rule. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Raille wrote: > > > > LSJ wrote: > > > > > > Talo...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:53:21 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Jason Bell wrote: > > > > >> If Democritus is tapped, and Theo Bell Ambushes Democritus, no blockers, > > > > >> can Democritus Obedience? > > > > > > > > > >No. Tapped vampire cannot play reaction cards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But he could if he blocked the enter combat action. > > > > > > Tapped vampires cannot block, either. But sure. > > > > > > > what about WWEF? > > Do not replace until your next untap phase. Only usable by a tapped > > vampire. This reacting vamipre can use reaction cards and attempt to > > block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. > > > > But notice the card never says you untap, thus a tapped vampire can > > block in the proper event sequence. > > Right. [1.4] > > I don't find it necessary to say "card text can override this rule" > after every rule. Maybe you should add to your sig line rule 1.4 card text canover ride this rule. :) Raille

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 06:42:58 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> >> There was a clipped bit about Demo untapping first. After which, I >> was assuming he could attempt the block and if successful play the >> obedience when 'tapped'. > >If so, then he needn't block first - if he can play reaction cards, he can >play reaction cards. > Well I knew that, but I thought there was something about 'blocking' on Obedience. I guess that only refers to the acting minion's action now being 'blocked'? T

In message <3b936b04.1157531379@news>, Talo...@hotmail.com writes >Well I knew that, but I thought there was something about 'blocking' >on Obedience. "Only usable when this reacting vampire is about to enter combat with an acting younger vampire." The reacting minion does not need to be blocking. Hence Obedience is defence against rush decks which you aren't blocking. >I guess that only refers to the acting minion's action >now being 'blocked'? "The acting vampire is blocked and cannot attempt the same action this turn." This is the only reference to blocking on the card. Obedience itself blocks the action. (Similar functions occur with Kiss of Ra.) [ quoted text not captured ]