What happens if someone gets a clan-specific card played on them, and
then clan impersonates another clan? For example, what happens if Igo
the Hungry Impersonates a Gangrel, and is then voted Gangrel Justicar,
but then he burns Clan Impersonation as an action. He is now a Caitiff
Gangrel Justicar. Then Yong-Sun, Harmonist, tells Igo "Hey kid, I'm
your sire", using Revelation of the Sire. He's now a
Nosferatu-ANTITRIBU. And the Gangrel Justicar. Then, for fun, he
decides he doesn't like the title of Justicar, so puts a bunch of master
discipline cards on himself (1 Protean, 1 Presence, 2 Chimerstries, 1
Thaumaturgy, 1 Serpentis, and 1 Obtenebration), and is voted Sabbat
Cardinal using Cardinal Benediction. Then he's declared a pretty boy
using Unacceptable Appearance, so he's a Pander now. He then finds a
writ of acceptance, is voted in as Prince of Geneva, and then Clan
Impersonates a Gangrel (AGAIN... No really, I'm a Gangrel. Really. I
mean it.), and then Mehemet blows up the Serpentis card.
Poor fool.
So, what is he, what's his blood capacity, and how soon will someone
Bums Rush him with Samantha and put him out of his misery?
Other questions:
1) When he burned Clan Impersonation and became a Caitiff, did he stay
Gangrel Justicar?
2) When he became a Nosferatu-ANTITRIBU, did he become Sabbat?
3) If Mehemet would have come out earlier, and blew up the Chimerstries,
Thaumaturgy, and Protean cards after he was voted Cardinal, would he
lose his Cardinality?
4) Why didn't anyone Golconda his sorry butt a long time ago?
By the way:
1) Is Caitiff a clan?
2) Is Pander a clan?
3) Are Caitiff considered Camarilla? (In the Sabbat rules sheet it says
the Camarilla is "the vampires of the seven accepted bloodlines")
4) THEREFORE, could Igo have skipped all the pain and misery he caused
and just become Prince of Geneva to start with?
That's enough for now.
I think.
Or not.
In article <3278F2...@attila.stevens-tech.edu>, Art Martella <amar...@attila.stevens-tech.edu> writes:
> What happens if someone gets a clan-specific card played on them, and
> then clan impersonates another clan? For example, what happens if Igo
> the Hungry Impersonates a Gangrel, and is then voted Gangrel Justicar,
> but then he burns Clan Impersonation as an action. He is now a Caitiff
> Gangrel Justicar. Then Yong-Sun, Harmonist, tells Igo "Hey kid, I'm
> your sire", using Revelation of the Sire. He's now a
> Nosferatu-ANTITRIBU. And the Gangrel Justicar. Then, for fun, he
> decides he doesn't like the title of Justicar, so puts a bunch of master
> discipline cards on himself (1 Protean, 1 Presence, 2 Chimerstries, 1
> Thaumaturgy, 1 Serpentis, and 1 Obtenebration), and is voted Sabbat
> Cardinal using Cardinal Benediction. Then he's declared a pretty boy
> using Unacceptable Appearance, so he's a Pander now. He then finds a
> writ of acceptance, is voted in as Prince of Geneva, and then Clan
> Impersonates a Gangrel (AGAIN... No really, I'm a Gangrel. Really. I
> mean it.), and then Mehemet blows up the Serpentis card.
>
> Poor fool.
>
Wow.
> So, what is he, what's his blood capacity, and how soon will someone
> Bums Rush him with Samantha and put him out of his misery?
>
> Other questions:
>
> 1) When he burned Clan Impersonation and became a Caitiff, did he stay
> Gangrel Justicar?
>
Yes. Don't think about it. From a story standpoint, Justicars are only
elected every ten (?) years, so when Igo comes clean with his "Sorry I lied to
y'all, nyeah nyeah nyeah!" speech, he's still Gangrel Justicar until he
abdicates, or the next meeting of the IC ejects his sorry ass (which could be
in a long time).
> 2) When he became a Nosferatu-ANTITRIBU, did he become Sabbat?
>
The Antritribu clans are Sabbat. However, there is no clear card text
to say that it does. It probably will end up turning you Sabbat, but until we
get word from Jon, it won't.
> 3) If Mehemet would have come out earlier, and blew up the Chimerstries,
> Thaumaturgy, and Protean cards after he was voted Cardinal, would he
> lose his Cardinality?
>
No.
> 4) Why didn't anyone Golconda his sorry butt a long time ago?
>
Hand jam.
> By the way:
>
> 1) Is Caitiff a clan?
>
No.
> 2) Is Pander a clan?
>
Yes.
> 3) Are Caitiff considered Camarilla? (In the Sabbat rules sheet it says
> the Camarilla is "the vampires of the seven accepted bloodlines")
>
Yes.
> 4) THEREFORE, could Igo have skipped all the pain and misery he caused
> and just become Prince of Geneva to start with?
>
Yes. Although, he gets more votes as a Cardinal or Justicar, so I'm
not real clear on why he'd care.
> That's enough for now.
>
That's a relief.
> I think.
>
No you don't.
> Or not.
That's better.
Ritaxis
On 31 Oct 1996, Art Martella <amar...@attila.stevens-tech.edu> wrote:
>What happens if someone gets a clan-specific card played on them, and
>then clan impersonates another clan? For example, what happens if Igo
>the Hungry Impersonates a Gangrel, and is then voted Gangrel Justicar,
>but then he burns Clan Impersonation as an action. He is now a Caitiff
>Gangrel Justicar. Then Yong-Sun, Harmonist, tells Igo "Hey kid, I'm
>your sire", using Revelation of the Sire. He's now a
>Nosferatu-ANTITRIBU. And the Gangrel Justicar. Then, for fun, he
>decides he doesn't like the title of Justicar, so puts a bunch of master
>discipline cards on himself (1 Protean, 1 Presence, 2 Chimerstries, 1
Note: he would have had to have at least one of these disciplines on
himself back when he attempted clan impersonation - which costs 2 blood.
>Thaumaturgy, 1 Serpentis, and 1 Obtenebration), and is voted Sabbat
>Cardinal using Cardinal Benediction. Then he's declared a pretty boy
>using Unacceptable Appearance, so he's a Pander now. He then finds a
>writ of acceptance, is voted in as Prince of Geneva, and then Clan
>Impersonates a Gangrel (AGAIN... No really, I'm a Gangrel. Really. I
>mean it.), and then Mehemet blows up the Serpentis card.>Poor fool.>So, what is he, what's his blood capacity, and how soon will someone>Bums Rush him with Samantha and put him out of his misery?
Blood Capacity: 8 (1 + 6 skill cards + 1 Prince-Clan bonus)
>Other questions:>1) When he burned Clan Impersonation and became a Caitiff, did he stay
>Gangrel Justicar?
Yes.
>2) When he became a Nosferatu-ANTITRIBU, did he become Sabbat?
Yes.
>3) If Mehemet would have come out earlier, and blew up the Chimerstries,
>Thaumaturgy, and Protean cards after he was voted Cardinal, would he
>lose his Cardinality?
No.
>4) Why didn't anyone Golconda his sorry butt a long time ago?
Insufficient data.
>By the way:>1) Is Caitiff a clan?
No.
>2) Is Pander a clan?
Yes.
>3) Are Caitiff considered Camarilla? (In the Sabbat rules sheet it says
>the Camarilla is "the vampires of the seven accepted bloodlines")
Yes.
>4) THEREFORE, could Igo have skipped all the pain and misery he caused
>and just become Prince of Geneva to start with?
Yes. (But, he wouldn't get the capacity boost, since he isn't a gangrel).
--
L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com)
Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast.
(*) - Subject to review by Rules Team
On 24 Feb 1997, L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> On 31 Oct 1996, Art Martella <amar...@attila.stevens-tech.edu> wrote:
>
> >1) Is Caitiff a clan?
>
> No.
>
> >2) Is Pander a clan?
>
> Yes.
>
Are you sure of it? I mean, isn't Pander the Sabbat equivalent of
the Caitiff (therefore no-one is able to clan-impersonate a Caitiff as
well as a Pander)? I know the story of Joseph Pander and all, but (for
those who do not know) they are not a clan in the proper sense (they can
be created by other clans other than Panders). Of course, this is a
RPG-based opinion, but since the Caitiff are the way they are, why aren't
Pander the same for the Sabbat?
> >3) Are Caitiff considered Camarilla? (In the Sabbat rules sheet it says
> >the Camarilla is "the vampires of the seven accepted bloodlines")
>
> Yes.
>
You're starting to sound like the "replying machines" sometimes
we see answering our questions :)
I know these are hard questions whose answer have no real
explanation, but please try to keep some blood on your veins :)
> >4) THEREFORE, could Igo have skipped all the pain and misery he caused
> >and just become Prince of Geneva to start with?
>
> Yes. (But, he wouldn't get the capacity boost, since he isn't a gangrel).
>
Does that mean that he gets the capacity boost at the moment he
calls the praxis, and it remains so wether he changes clans or not?
David Pontes
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David Pontes wrote:
> On 24 Feb 1997, L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> > >1) Is Caitiff a clan?
> > No.
> >
> > >2) Is Pander a clan?
> > Yes.
>> Are you sure of it? [...]
The Sabbat Rules Sheet is pretty explicit in defining the distinction,
and in classifying Pander as a clan. The WoD backstory is not
relevant, since the rules are so explicit.
> > >3) Are Caitiff considered Camarilla? (In the Sabbat rules sheet it says
> > >the Camarilla is "the vampires of the seven accepted bloodlines")
> > Yes.
>
> You're starting to sound like the "replying machines" sometimes
> we see answering our questions :)
> I know these are hard questions whose answer have no real
> explanation, but please try to keep some blood on your veins :)
These questions are actually easy, because they are so clear cut
as to not require any explanation. I don't understand the
problem with the answer.
> > >4) THEREFORE, could Igo have skipped all the pain and misery he caused
> > >and just become Prince of Geneva to start with?
> > Yes. (But, he wouldn't get the capacity boost, since he isn't a gangrel).
>
> Does that mean that he gets the capacity boost at the moment he
> calls the praxis, and it remains so wether he changes clans or not?
No. The title (Glasgow) increases his capacity when he is
Gangrel. If he ceases to be Gangrel, he ceases to receive the
increace to capacity. If he becomes Gangrel, he gains the increase.
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