Paulo de Castille ?

Sabbat: When Paulo is put into play during your influence phase, you may move 1 blood from him to any Lasombra in your uncontrolled region. If Paulo comes into play with more blood than his capacity, can you order effects so that the excess is moved to a Lasombra in your uncontrolled region?

The blood would fall off before you have a chance to do that.

On Aug 31, 11:17 am, Sim <nex...@hotmail.com> wrote: > The blood would fall off before you have a chance to do that. At the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than) his capacity becomes controlled. The vampire is turned face up and moved to the ready region, untapped. The counters are kept on him to represent his blood (counters in excess of his capacity drain off immediately as usual). Other types of crypt cards are handled similarly. I was checking, if (immediately) took priority over the usual order of statement by statement. When during this sequence is a minion considered put into play.

[ quoted text not captured ] Paulo must actually enter play before you can trigger his text. "When Paulo IS PUT into play..." While the blood-check happens as the vampire is put into play.

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. The blood drains off before yo can move it.

[ quoted text not captured ] 4.1. Contested Cards Some of the cards in the game represent unique resources, such as specific locations, equipment or people. These cards will be identified as "unique" in their card text. In addition, all crypt cards represent unique minions. If more than one unique card with the same name is brought into play, that means control of the card is being contested. For the duration of the contest, all of the contested cards are turned face down and are out of play. If another unique card with the same name is brought into play, it is **immediately** contested and turned face down as well. So the order is 1 check capacity 2 check card text 3 check uniqueness http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/cd912f43065fa72b?hl=en&dmode=print So if you transferred 4 counters onto Jacob the Glitch 2 would flow off, then his capacity would increase due to text?

[ quoted text not captured ] > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/cd91... > > So if you transferred 4 counters onto Jacob the Glitch 2 would flow > off, then his capacity would increase due to text?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Check Uniqueness Check Capacity Check Text

[ quoted text not captured ] Then an anarch convert would contest before you could use his special.

[ quoted text not captured ] > > Check Uniqueness > > Check Capacity > > Check Text > > Then an anarch convert would contest before you could use his special.- Hide quoted text - The Convert would check at the same time as Uniqueness would check. Instead of contesting you MAY remove it before that point. Unlike Jacob... Points highlighted below. Anarch Convert Clan: Caitiff (group 0) Capacity: 1 Powers (Disciplines): Independent. Anarch: **When the convert enters play, you may remove him from the game** to make a non-titled vampire you control anarch and either gain 1 pool or draw a card from your crypt. Jacob, The Glitch Clan: Tremere antitribu (group 3) Capacity: 2 Disciplines: THA Sabbat: Jacob's capacity is increased by 4 **while he is controlled**. Your predator can use a master phase action to discard a master card to force you to discard your hand. Draw back up to your hand size afterward.

On Sep 1, 9:00 am, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 1, 12:12 pm, Wedge <matt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Aug 31, 6:59 pm, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Check Uniqueness > > > Check Capacity > > > Check Text > > > Then an anarch convert would contest before you could use his special.- Hide quoted text - > > The Convert would check at the same time as Uniqueness would check. > Instead of contesting you MAY remove it before that point. Unlike > Jacob... Points highlighted below. First move to ready region: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/d56f896a7175c74f As the vampire moves to the ready region, "as he / she enters play" effects are triggered. For instance : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/209ab7c438407573 [Victor Pelletier] I suppose that cardtext (which contains information such as uniqueness) is checked at that time. (rulebook uses "brought into play" instead of "when enters play", but I think we can safely assume they have the same meaning).

On Sep 1, 12:54 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 1, 9:00 am, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sep 1, 12:12 pm, Wedge <matt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 31, 6:59 pm, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Check Uniqueness > > > > Check Capacity > > > > Check Text > > > > Then an anarch convert would contest before you could use his special.- Hide quoted text - > > > The Convert would check at the same time as Uniqueness would check. > > Instead of contesting you MAY remove it before that point. Unlike > > Jacob... Points highlighted below. > > First move to ready region:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/d56f... > > As the vampire moves to the ready region, "as he / she enters play" > effects are triggered. For instance :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/209a... > [Victor Pelletier] > > I suppose that cardtext (which contains information such as > uniqueness) is checked at that time. (rulebook uses "brought into > play" instead of "when enters play", but I think we can safely assume > they have the same meaning). From http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/post?hl=en&inreplyto=209ab7c438407573&forward=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.games.trading-cards.jyhad%2Fbrowse_thread%2Fthread%2Fba4f6c60ffea8b8a%2F2f817387ca526e2d%3Fhl%3Den%26lnk%3Dgst%26q%3Dwormwood%2Bcontest%26& we see that capacity does not take priority over contesting. and from http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/post?inreplyto=46d91f309a98a642&forward=1&_done=%2Fgroup%2Frec.games.trading-cards.jyhad%2Fbrowse_thread%2Fthread%2F76b9fbc07686ba04%2F9ae0a41908d34e57%3Flnk%3Dgst%26q%3Dscarce%2Bcontest%26& we see that enters play may (in some cases must) take place before contesting. So that means there is a distinction between IS PUT (in play) and ENTERS (play). Truth be told, I thought they were the same.

On Sep 1, 2:09 pm, Wedge <matt...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 1, 12:54 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Sep 1, 9:00 am, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Sep 1, 12:12 pm, Wedge <matt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 31, 6:59 pm, Juggernaut1981 <brasscompo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Check Uniqueness > > > > > Check Capacity > > > > > Check Text > > > > > Then an anarch convert would contest before you could use his special.- Hide quoted text - > > > > The Convert would check at the same time as Uniqueness would check. > > > Instead of contesting you MAY remove it before that point. Unlike > > > Jacob... Points highlighted below. > > > First move to ready region:http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/d56f... > > > As the vampire moves to the ready region, "as he / she enters play" > > effects are triggered. For instance :http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/209a... > > [Victor Pelletier] > > > I suppose that cardtext (which contains information such as > > uniqueness) is checked at that time. (rulebook uses "brought into > > play" instead of "when enters play", but I think we can safely assume > > they have the same meaning). > > From > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/post?hl=... > > we see that capacity does not take priority over contesting. > > and from > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/post?inr... > > we see that enters play may (in some cases must) take place before > contesting. > > So that means there is a distinction between IS PUT (in play) and > ENTERS (play). > Truth be told, I thought they were the same. Your links are teh borken, but you're right about the terms: they both mean "is played", as far as crypt cards are concerned. So REVERSAL: You can use Paulo's ability before the extra blood drains off.

[ quoted text not captured ] Great, now I can make that crappy deck I was thinking about. I also understand the influence phase better. Thank You, Matt

[ quoted text not captured ] Sweet Turbo Paulo Descent into Darkness Deck Blammo!

On Sep 1, 11:54 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > Sweet Turbo Paulo Descent into Darkness Deck Blammo! Soon to be in a bargain basement bin at a Deck Building shop near you!

On Sep 1, 1:16 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Does this apply to Hermana Hambrienta's ability also? So if 3 blood are on the 2 cap vampire when influenced, it can burn 2 blood before the extra blood is drained, and then be ready with 1 blood remaining, right? Sabbat. Mexico City Circle: Hermanas are not unique. When moved to the ready region in your influence phase, this vampire burns 2 blood or is burned.

[ quoted text not captured ] > Sweet Turbo Paulo Descent into Darkness Deck Blammo!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Um, Paulo lacks [obt]...

[ quoted text not captured ] No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6ea9cad6173fc938 Meaning the original answer for Paulo was correct: The blood drains off before it can be moved. (REVERSAL of the REVERSAL above). Sorry about that.

[ quoted text not captured ] > No.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6ea9... > > Meaning the original answer for Paulo was correct: The blood drains > off before it can be moved. > (REVERSAL of the REVERSAL above). > > Sorry about that. Thank got Paulo doesn't have obtenebration, because that could have been a disaster!

[ quoted text not captured ] > No.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6ea9... > > Meaning the original answer for Paulo was correct: The blood drains > off before it can be moved. > (REVERSAL of the REVERSAL above). > > Sorry about that. No worries, but I am confused again. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/209ab7c438407573?hl=en&dmode=print I hope I got the link right this time. It seems to me that this contradicts. I believe this implies "as played" is before both capacity check and contesting. Nothing in 4.1 or 7.0 of the rulebook lead me to think otherwise. 4.1. Contested Cards Some of the cards in the game represent unique resources, such as specific locations, equipment or people. These cards will be identified as "unique" in their card text. In addition, all crypt cards represent unique minions. If more than one unique card with the same name is brought into play, that means control of the card is being contested. For the duration of the contest, all of the contested cards are turned face down and are out of play. If another unique card with the same name is brought into play, it is **immediately** contested and turned face down as well. 7. Influence Phase At the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than) his capacity becomes controlled. The vampire is turned face up and moved to the ready region, untapped. The counters are kept on him to represent his blood (counters in excess of his capacity drain off immediately as usual). Other types of crypt cards are handled similarly. Who cares if, someone can choose to pay 3 for a 2cap with 1 blood. When they could pay 4 for a 4cap with 2 blood and fortitude. Scourge of the Enochians - blah blah blah

On Sep 2, 4:37 pm, Wedge <matt...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Meaning the original answer for Paulo was correct: The blood drains > > off before it can be moved. > > (REVERSAL of the REVERSAL above). > > > Sorry about that. > > No worries, but I am confused again. > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/209a... > > I hope I got the link right this time. It's got a "print me" embedded in it, but at least it's usable. What you want is the URL behind the: "more options" -> "individual message" link. > It seems to me that this contradicts. I believe this implies "as That's because you're paying attention. :-) > played" is before both capacity check and contesting. > Nothing in 4.1 or 7.0 of the rulebook lead me to think otherwise. > > 4.1. Contested Cards > > Some of the cards in the game represent unique resources, such as > specific locations, equipment or people. These cards will be > identified as "unique" in their card text. In addition, all crypt > cards represent unique minions. If more than one unique card with the > same name is brought into play, that means control of the card is > being contested. For the duration of the contest, all of the contested > cards are turned face down and are out of play. If another unique card > with the same name is brought into play, it is **immediately** > contested and turned face down as well. > > 7. Influence Phase > > At the end of your influence phase, any vampire in your uncontrolled > region with a number of blood counters on him equal to (or more than) > his capacity becomes controlled. The vampire is turned face up and > moved to the ready region, untapped. The counters are kept on him to > represent his blood (counters in excess of his capacity drain off > immediately as usual). Other types of crypt cards are handled > similarly. > > Who cares if, someone can choose to pay 3 for a 2cap with 1 blood. > When they could pay 4 for a 4cap with 2 blood and fortitude. Well, I'm sure someone cares. But that's not exactly the whole issue. I think the best solution to make everything non-conflicting and rulebook-matching is to make the over-capacity blood get handled first, as part of the "play the crypt card" mechanic. (Which would be a REVERSAL of the ruling you cited above, whose basic link is http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2f817387ca526e2d ) So: Influence (Discipline cards don't apply at this point.) Drain excess (Discipline cards' capacity bonuses support blood at this point.) Do "as played" stuff. Begin contesting.

[ quoted text not captured ] > link ishttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2f81... > ) > > So: > > Influence (Discipline cards don't apply at this point.) > Drain excess (Discipline cards' capacity bonuses support blood at this > point.) > Do "as played" stuff. > Begin contesting. Makes since to me. And that's all I wanted. Thank you Scott

[ quoted text not captured ] > link ishttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2f81... > ) > > So: > > Influence (Discipline cards don't apply at this point.) > Drain excess (Discipline cards' capacity bonuses support blood at this > point.) > Do "as played" stuff. > Begin contesting. Does it change anything to Jacob whose text isn't "as played" but "while controlled" ? = if I influence 4 on Jacob, does it keep his 4 blood or only 2? Name: Jacob, The Glitch Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Tremere antitribu Group: 3 Capacity: 2 Discipline: THA Sabbat: Jacob's capacity is increased by 4 while he is controlled. Your [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] IANLSJ but, I believe most cards if not all that affect capacity (if not all cards on a vampire) are while controlled. Tariq, the Silent, 7, AUS cel FOR OBF QUI, Assamite, 2, [FN:U2] Independent: Tariq's capacity is reduced by 4 while he is CONTROLLED. Tariq can enter combat with a vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. Blood hunts cannot be called on Tariq. The Blood Curse doesn't affect Tariq.