LSJ- The Final Loosening

Final Loosening Type: Reaction Requires: anarch Auspex/Dementation/Fortitude Requires an anarch. [aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead. [dem] Gain 4 votes. [for] Only usable when an ally is acting. The action fails and the ally takes 1 damage. Tap this reacting anarch. Rarity: TR:R If I have two aus anarchs and another vampire hunts for 1, then when I play two Final Loosenings, one for each anarch, doese the acting vampire gain two blood, for two Final Loosenings, or only one? Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

[ quoted text not captured ] IANLSJ, but... The two FL are played in succession, not concurrently, so the hunter only gets one blood.

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. And card text.

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Malone wrote: >> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: >>> Final Loosening >>> Type: Reaction >>> Requires: anarch Auspex/Dementation/Fortitude >>> Requires an anarch. >>> [aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The >>> acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead. >>> [dem] Gain 4 votes. >>> [for] Only usable when an ally is acting. The action fails and the >>> ally takes 1 damage. Tap this reacting anarch. >>> >>> If I have two aus anarchs and another vampire hunts for 1, then >>> when I play two Final Loosenings, one for each anarch, doese the >>> acting vampire gain two blood, for two Final Loosenings, or only >>> one? >> >> IANLSJ, but... The two FL are played in succession, not >> concurrently, so the hunter only gets one blood. > > Correct. And card text. I apologize, LSJ, but could you specify for me what exactly in the card text of FL implies this? I thought the same thing that Norm asked, s'why. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

On Jun 9, 10:16 am, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] gain 1 blood instead. Vampire A acts hunts. my Vampire B plays Final Loosening. (Instead of his hunting blood) Vampire A gets 1 blood and Vampire B gets 1 blood. Vampire C plays Final Loosening. (Instead of the 1 blood he would have gained from Final Loosening) Vampire A gets 1 blood and Vampire C gets 1 blood. oscar

Kevin M. wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> Malone wrote: >>> XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: >>>> Final Loosening >>>> [aus] Play when the acting vampire would gain 1 or more blood. The >>>> acting vampire and this reacting anarch each gain 1 blood instead. >>>> >>>> If I have two aus anarchs and another vampire hunts for 1, then >>>> when I play two Final Loosenings, one for each anarch, doese the >>>> acting vampire gain two blood, for two Final Loosenings, or only >>>> one? >>> IANLSJ, but... The two FL are played in succession, not >>> concurrently, so the hunter only gets one blood. >> Correct. And card text. > > I apologize, LSJ, but could you specify for me what exactly in the card > text of FL implies this? I thought the same thing that Norm asked, s'why. Card text: "instead". (1) VampA hunts. (2) Action succeeds. (3) VampA would gain 1 blood. (4) AnarchB plays Final Loosening at [aus]. (5) So now VampA and AnarchB are each about to gain 1 blood "instead" of VampA gaining 1 blood (3). (6) Since VampA is about to gain 1 blood (5), AnarchC plays Final Loosening. (7) Now VampA and AnarchC are each about to gain 1 blood "instead" of VampA gaining 1 blood (5). And AnarchB is still about to gain 1 blood (5). Restated: (3) A gains 1 "A gains 1" is replaced by "A gains 1" and "B gains 1" (5) A gains 1 ; B gains 1 Then THAT "A gains 1" is replaced by "A gains 1" and "C gains 1" (7) A gains 1 ; C gains 1 ; B gains 1 Step (6) can't work on the blood gain in step (3), since that blood gain is no longer occurring, since it was replaced by something else by step (5).