rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

[LSJ] goth band, dreams of the sphinx?

4 messages from 4 participants · 14 October 2000 – 15 October 2000
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Trey

Can a goth band you control attempt to take a counter off of your own dreams of the sphinx? Or does the general "can't do (d) actions at yourself" rule apply (like the sabbat powerbases)? Trey Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Lee Fent

Actually the current text listing (from White-wolf's website) the wording fixed to specify that you have to remove the counter from another methus's master card. Goth Band Cardtype: Ally Clan: Toreador Antitribu Cost: 2 pool Unique Ally with 2 life. 1 <strength>, 0 bleed. As a +1 stealth (D) action, the Goth Band may move one counter from any master card {controlled by another Methuselah} to a master card you control that uses counters. {The counter is changed to a counter of the type appropriate to the new card}. It well could be an extenstion of the general rule though. I just know that the wording is there to prevent that. Lee Who's Laughing Now? [ quoted text not captured ]

The Lasombra

In article <8s8tk2$1jk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Trey <tmo...@my-deja.com> wrote: > Can a goth band you control attempt to take a counter off of your own > dreams of the sphinx? No per errata from RTR 7/7/98. Goth Band: "As a +1 stealth (D) action, the Goth Band may move one counter from a master card controlled by another Methuselah to a master card you control that uses counters." # # Net effect: no change. Textual change needed to uphold the (D) # symbol conventions that were in effect when the card was printed. > Or does the general "can't do (d) actions at > yourself" rule apply (like the sabbat powerbases)? There is no such rule. Again, per the Rules Team Ruling of 7/7/98: Directed actions are actions that directly affect another Methuselah, one of her minions, or a card a Methuselah controls. Cards that involve directed actions have a "(D)" in the card text. Nondirected actions are actions that are not directed against a Methuselah or one of her minions. Hunting, equipping a minion, recruiting an ally, and employing a retainer are examples of nondirected actions. # # Yeah, I know - this is a direct quote from the VTES rulebook. But # it does change the way the (D) symbol currently works [back to the # correct way] by removing the long-standing errata. Specifically, the # "(D)" symbol merely identifies (redundantly) a directed action. The # symbol does *not* address who the action can be directed at - the # rest of the text on the card should make that clear. Some errata # is introduced for expansion cards that are dependent on the # errata - but these cards have caused confusion anyway. The # card-specific errata for (D) actions is limited to the expansion # cards, and then only when necessary. See: Darius Styx, Goth Band, # and PB: Mexico City Carpe Noctem. Lasombra http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra/RTR7-7.htm [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ

lf...@ionet.net (Lee Fent) wrote: > Actually the current text listing (from White-wolf's website) the > wording fixed to specify that you have to remove the counter from > another methus's master card. > > Goth Band > Unique Ally with 2 life. 1 <strength>, 0 bleed. As a +1 stealth (D) > action, the Goth Band may move one counter from any master card > {controlled by another Methuselah} to a master card you control that > uses counters. {The counter is changed to a counter of the type > appropriate to the new card}. > > It well could be an extenstion of the general rule though. I just > know that the wording is there to prevent that. Correct on the Goth Band ruling/errata. There is currently no general rule, although there used to be. The errata was made to preserve the function of the card, which was written when the general rule was in effect. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]