LSJ- Sonya Blue- Self Contest

Sonja Blue Clan: Ventrue (group 4) Capacity: 5 Disciplines: CEL FOR PRE dom pot Independent: Gain 4 pool when Sonja is moved to the ready region in your influence phase. Sonja may remove a vampire's title as a (D) action. She may block as an ally (but remains a vampire in combat). During your prey's discard phase, your predator may burn 1 pool to move Sonja to his or her ready region. If Sonja leaves play, remove her from the game. We all know that you can use a trick to quasi-self-contest Jimmy Dunn. I am pretty sure that you can not do the same thing with Sonya blue. Is it correct that you cannot self-contest Sonya Blue?

[ quoted text not captured ] You cannot self-contest any card. For crypt cards, though, you may be forced into that by consequence of the transfers you make (which you are allowed to make, since transfers do not put the card in play directly, in contrast to, say, playing a second copy of a unique equipment you already have). So you may put five counters on the uncontrolled Sonja, who will then attempt to self-contest, with the result that the incoming copy is burned (as per the rules on self-contesting [4.1]) http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/7361e60b31498ba7 For such cards, you still handle the as-played bits, like Sonja's pool gain. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/cd912f43065fa72b If you're asking if both copies of Sonja are removed from the game by their special text, as in the case of two-Methuselah contesting, the answer is no: the original copy is never contested in cases of self- contesting (Sonja or otherwise). So the original copy stays.

On 15 nov, 17:37, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > If you're asking if both copies of Sonja are removed from the game by > their special text, as in the case of two-Methuselah contesting, [...] Hm, is this a reversal of http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/46d91f309a98a642 ?

[ quoted text not captured ] > Hm, is this a reversal ofhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/46d9... > ? No, it is not. The other is actual contestation, not self- contestation.

[ quoted text not captured ] Maybe I'm misreading it, but Scott's sentence reads - to me - that in the case of two-Methuselah contesting, both copies of Sonja are removed from the game by their special text, which is not what is described in that link I gave.

[ quoted text not captured ] > Hm, is this a reversal ofhttp://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/46d9... > ? No, just a simple error. As you note, not even two-Methuselah contesting will result in both Sonjas self-removing.