When a vampire has Aching Beauty, what constitutes a block,
for triggering the pool loss? If the Toreador is blocked, but
has Obedience played, does it count? If it's blocked, but
plays Change of Target, does *that* block count? This seems
like a somewhat cheesy combo....
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In article <52nt2o$k...@reuter.cse.ogi.edu>,
Thomas Doehne <doe...@church.cse.ogi.edu> wrote:
> When a vampire has Aching Beauty, what constitutes a block,
>for triggering the pool loss? If the Toreador is blocked, but
>has Obedience played, does it count? If it's blocked, but
>plays Change of Target, does *that* block count? This seems
>like a somewhat cheesy combo....
Blocking the vampire triggers aching beauty -- you an only play
Obedience after a successful block, so you've already paid the pool
before the opportunity to Obedience even came up. Same for CoT -- it's
only playable when blocked. Are you confusing the block with the
ensuing combat?
A block happens whenever a blocker's been declared and intercept equals
or exceeds stealth (assuming everyone involved has declined to add
stealth/intercept). This will trigger both Archon and Aching Beauty --
Camarilla Exemplary triggered long before, when the blocking attempt was
initiated. At this point, CoT, Kiss of Ra are playable by the acting vampire,
or Obedience/Thoughts Betrayed by the blocker. If no action modifiers or
reactions playable after a block are played that would incapacitate one of
the two vamps, combat ensues.
gomi
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doe...@church.cse.ogi.edu (Thomas Doehne) writes:
> When a vampire has Aching Beauty, what constitutes a block,
>for triggering the pool loss? If the Toreador is blocked, but
>has Obedience played, does it count? If it's blocked, but
>plays Change of Target, does *that* block count? This seems
>like a somewhat cheesy combo....
Anytime that a block is successful, the blocker's controller pays
a pool. Combat is not necessary. Neither obedience and Change of
Target will alter tha fact that the action was blocked (and a pool
was paid).
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> When a vampire has Aching Beauty, what constitutes a block,
>for triggering the pool loss? If the Toreador is blocked, but
>has Obedience played, does it count? If it's blocked, but
>plays Change of Target, does *that* block count? This seems
>like a somewhat cheesy combo....
Yep. If the action is blocked then you lose the pool. Change of Target
can trigger the pool lost since it can be played only when blocked. So
can Obedience.
Cheesy, yes, but you know that the vamp has Aching Beauty, and it does
cost them two pool, so you have to fall for the Change of Target bit twice
just to recoup the loss.
In article <52p57o$8...@shellx.best.com> go...@best.com (Gomi no Sensei) writes:
>In article <52nt2o$k...@reuter.cse.ogi.edu>,
>Thomas Doehne <doe...@church.cse.ogi.edu> wrote:
[When does blocking occur, to allow play of Change of Target
and set off Aching Beauty]
>
>Blocking the vampire triggers aching beauty -- you an only play
>Obedience after a successful block, so you've already paid the pool
>before the opportunity to Obedience even came up. Same for CoT -- it's
>only playable when blocked. Are you confusing the block with the
>ensuing combat?
No, just making sure that I understand how the cards work -- that's
how I thought they work. Makes Toreador rather less useless than
they seemed.
>A block happens whenever a blocker's been declared and intercept equals
>or exceeds stealth (assuming everyone involved has declined to add
>stealth/intercept). This will trigger both Archon and Aching Beauty --
>Camarilla Exemplary triggered long before, when the blocking attempt was
>initiated. At this point, CoT, Kiss of Ra are playable by the acting vampire,
>or Obedience/Thoughts Betrayed by the blocker. If no action modifiers or
>reactions playable after a block are played that would incapacitate one of
>the two vamps, combat ensues.
I can imagine that after the block 'occurs', both players might want
to play cards. Although it's not explicitly spelled out, my
guess is that the acting Methuselah gets to play first, then
the blocking one. And if neither has any non-combat cards (reactions,
action modifiers) to play, combat ensues.
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Tom Doehne
go...@best.com (Gomi no Sensei) writes:
>A block happens whenever a blocker's been declared and intercept equals
>or exceeds stealth (assuming everyone involved has declined to add
>stealth/intercept). This will trigger both Archon and Aching Beauty --
>Camarilla Exemplary triggered long before, when the blocking attempt was
>initiated. At this point, CoT, Kiss of Ra are playable by the acting vampire,
>or Obedience/Thoughts Betrayed by the blocker. If no action modifiers or
Thoughts betrayed doesn't come at this point, since it is a combat card.
It is playable after all action modifiers/reaction cards have been played
and combat is /being/ entered. TB is then playable by the acting minion.
If he declines, then the blocking minion has the opportunity.
>reactions playable after a block are played that would incapacitate one of
>the two vamps, combat ensues.
(It is at this "combat ensues" point that TB may be played)
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