Question for Shawn

Hi, I asked these questions several weeks ago but didn't got any answer. They were no rulemonger wandering around at this date : 1) I'm still confused about the way "hand" weapons work. Espececially since I know some rules have been changes from Jyhad to VTES. When you use a Sengir Dagger or a Bastard Sword, should they be considered as a specific weapon or as an equipment that modifies your hand stike ? More precisely: - Does someone with a natural 2 hand Domage (e.g. Bianca) will do 2 Agg. dammage with Sengir Dagger ? - Similar questions with Bang-Nakh - If an acting vampire strikes with a Bang Nakh, and the blocking vampire answers with a Fast Hands at First Strike, is the acting vampire strike cancelled or simply diminished ? 2) Ambrosius: Where goes an animated retainer when he is burnt before his counter are burn out ? In other words, can you use effectively Ambrosius with Ghoul Escorts ? Thanks, == Herve Guillemet

Herve Guillemet (guil...@marsouin.imed.jussieu.fr) wrote: : Hi, I asked these questions several weeks ago but didn't got any answer. : They were no rulemonger wandering around at this date : An answer to my own post: I just realized from recent posts fro LSJ that both these issues where discussed recently in the newsgroup, sorry. : 1) I'm still confused about the way "hand" weapons work. Espececially : since I know some rules have been changes from Jyhad to VTES. : When you use a Sengir Dagger or a Bastard Sword, should they be considered : as a specific weapon or as an equipment that modifies your hand stike ? : More precisely: : - Does someone with a natural 2 hand Domage (e.g. Bianca) : will do 2 Agg. dammage with Sengir Dagger ? : - Similar questions with Bang-Nakh : - If an acting vampire strikes with a Bang Nakh, and the blocking vampire : answers with a Fast Hands at First Strike, is the acting vampire strike : cancelled or simply diminished ? LSJ gave the following definition for Hand Strike: <A strike done without Strike: cards or with a Strike: card specifying: use your hand with....> If I understand well, cards specifying "+N hand damage" do an amount of damage equals to the base Hand Damage + N, but is not considered a Hand Strike. Thus: - Bianca with a Bastard Sword will do 3 damage, but - If a Steal Weapon with First Strike is used against Biance, her whole strike will fizzle. - Bangh Nakh is to be considered the same way. - Scorpion Sting can't be made aggravated by a Wolf Claws !! Can LSJ or Shawn confirm ? : 2) Ambrosius: Where goes an animated retainer when he is burnt before : his counter are burn out ? In other words, can you use effectively : Ambrosius with Ghoul Escorts ? This seems to be one of the pending question. == Herve Guillemet

: - Scorpion Sting can't be made aggravated by a Wolf Claws !! : == Herve Guillemet I don't see why not, seeing as Wolf Claws is not a strike card, but a damage resolution/general effect card. But correct me if I am wrong (this may effect a deck of mine in a big way). -Juan -- ___ /^\/\ ,, Juan Burwell | __| || ( {=@=====[=] Amherst College | _| \\/\// /^\ ||// \_/\/ '' jmbu...@unix.amherst.edu |___| \/\/ \_/ ||\\

>> LSJ gave the following definition for Hand Strike: >> <A strike done without Strike: cards or with a Strike: card specifying: >> use your hand with....> >> If I understand well, cards specifying "+N hand damage" do an amount >> of damage equals to the base Hand Damage + N, but is not considered a >> Hand Strike. Thus: >> - Bianca with a Bastard Sword will do 3 damage, but Correct! >> - If a Steal Weapon with First Strike is used against Biance, her whole >> strike will fizzle. Correct! >> - Bangh Nakh is to be considered the same way. Correct! >> - Scorpion Sting can't be made aggravated by a Wolf Claws !! > Yes to all, with my definition. > Judging by the muddled templates used by other cards in the AH series, > though, I'd guess that Scorpion Sting is meant to be a hand strike. I believe it is--that (at least) was the design intent. > (Gawd, I hate having twenty templates trying to accomplish the same effect, > it makes rulings become convoluted to the point of incoprehensibility) Tell me about it... but I *think* it's getting better. -- ********************************************************************** * Shawn F. Carnes sw...@wizards.com * * Game Designer and Developer Wizards of the Coast, Inc. * ********************************************************************** * The opinions I express are probably not even mine... HELP! * ********************************************************************** * "We cannot rest, knowing that The Captain and Tennille are in good * * health!" --Milk and Cheese * **********************************************************************

In article <4tl6oa$m...@vishnu.jussieu.fr>, Herve Guillemet <guil...@marsouin.imed.jussieu.fr> wrote: >LSJ gave the following definition for Hand Strike: ><A strike done without Strike: cards or with a Strike: card specifying: >use your hand with....> >If I understand well, cards specifying "+N hand damage" do an amount >of damage equals to the base Hand Damage + N, but is not considered a >Hand Strike. Thus: >- Bianca with a Bastard Sword will do 3 damage, but >- If a Steal Weapon with First Strike is used against Biance, her whole >strike will fizzle. >- Bangh Nakh is to be considered the same way. >- Scorpion Sting can't be made aggravated by a Wolf Claws !! > >Can LSJ or Shawn confirm ? Yes to all, with my definition. Judging by the muddled templates used by other cards in the AH series, though, I'd guess that Scorpion Sting is meant to be a hand strike. Either Change the definition to "Any non-ranged, non-weapon strike based on innate hand damage, or an innate non-ranged strike" (that last part should tell you that this is not the "proper" definition, but a definition cut to match card texts), or Use (as yet unofficial) errata to make the Scorpion Sting a hand strike, modelled after the errata that makes the Tiger Claws *not* a hand strike. [Or just resign yourself to having Scorpion Sting *not* be a hand strike, which is what may be the case] [ quoted text not captured ]