At 9:00 last night I got my Sabbat cards. A guy from a store in
Pasadena drove to his distributor at about 7:00 PM last night and picked
them up!
Well since I actually have the cards and many of you are just reading
the spoiler I'll comment on the look.
WOW! I'm just blown away by the art. Great package design and the
cards are beautiful. It is just plain freakish to pick up a booster
with almost 30 cards in it. Overall I'm pleased with the set. They
seem to have taken a lot more care with the wording of some cards and
even took the time to make some reprinted cards more clear. HOWEVER, I
am finding that the game is degenerating into a game of trumps! They
added (another) OOT Master that can be used as defense against some more
of the offensive trumps. [SARCASM ON] Thanks guys. That's just what we
wanted. [SARCASM OFF]
OK now to some card comments. I see that many of you are studying
carefully before commenting but I think I'm ready with a few now.
THE TREMERE CONSPIRACY!
=======================
It's true, there is a conspiracy. _Shotgun Ritual_ is as we expected.
Pay 2 blood to do a second round strike in the first round. Next is
_Eldritch Glimmer_:Thaum, Strike. Inferior 2R Damage AND can burn X
blood for +X damage. The superior starts at 4R damage. There are many
more to add. Take a look at Reverend Blackwood for example. I'll let
others add to this list becuase I'm at work and can't do this all day.
UNBLOCKABILITY!
===============
An alarming trend first begun with Horrific Countenance. In the
beginning there was only Day Operation. Now they've added Walk Through
Arcardia. A Malkavian Action Modifier. Costs 1 blood to play. Text
is: "Flip a Coin. If it comes up heads, this action is _unblockable_.
If it comes up tales the Malk. takes one unpreventable damage." Are
they insane. 1 damage is no risk at all. We don't even get the
advantage of trying to jam the Malk bleeder by not letting him cycle his
stealth. This can be played at will.
There is also an equipment that can be used once to make an action
ublockable. I think there is also another modifier somewhere in this
damn list. Anyway, this is really getting sick. Enough of the
unblockable crap!
COMBAT!
=======
Heavy combat influence. That seems fine to me. I think combat needed
the boost.
SUBTLETY!
=========
I've always been in favor of this one. Many of the cards are slight
variations of Jyhad cards. Forced Awakening and Redirection are 2 good
examples. When mixing sets we'll be debating whether the lack of cost
of Redirection is worth the restrictions on when it can be played. I'll
probably continue using wakes and will mix in Forced Awakenings also.
ATTACKS ON MASTER CARDS!
========================
Ok, so this is a small one and not that big a deal. But it bugs me.
Master Cards are often necessary to fix some of the basic inequities of
the vamps created for each clan as well as allowing some of the more
creative decks to be made. This has just gotten more difficult to do.
ERRORS!
======
White Phosphorus Grenade. Weapon: Burn After _USE_. Does 2R aggravated
_EACH STRIKE_. How do you do additional strikes? It should burn after
the first one is resolved. Shouldn't it?
Ok that's all for now. But I'll be back!
Robert
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I hope you enjoy the art. IMHO, after scrutinizing the spoiler list,
Sabbat is a load of .... silly trump cards that destroy game balance and
pushess *many* previously viable strategies to the asheap. Does anyone
think that Settites can ever survive and prosper?
So gaze at the cards, appreciate the art, and lock them up somewhere.
The people that I play with will gladly ignore this expansion and play
the old game.
Sean (aka Scott) Whittaker
> ATTACKS ON MASTER CARDS!
> ========================
> Ok, so this is a small one and not that big a deal. But it bugs me.
> Master Cards are often necessary to fix some of the basic inequities of
> the vamps created for each clan as well as allowing some of the more
> creative decks to be made. This has just gotten more difficult to do.> Robert
Sorry, I meant Master: _SKILL_ cards. A couple of cards were added that
let you remove other vamps skill cards.
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Steven Bucy wrote:
>
> Beautiful art is a good thing. At least they will make attractive
> wallpaper.
>
Couldn't have said it better myself. Except that the pre-existing
collections of Jyhad cards are now the wallpaper. However, I would still
advise any self-respecting player to go ahead if they feel like buying
Sabbat: just play it seperately, or better yet, collect a set and
wallpaper your room with it. At least it'll be unusual decor...
Sean Whittaker
Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> writes:
>ERRORS!
>======>White Phosphorus Grenade. Weapon: Burn After _USE_. Does 2R aggravated
>_EACH STRIKE_. How do you do additional strikes? It should burn after
>the first one is resolved. Shouldn't it?
The "each strike" is the standard template for describing a weapon's
capabilities. Yes, it will be burned after the first such strike.
--
L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | I don't suffer from insanity.
http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | I enjoy every minute of it.
Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |
> At 9:00 last night I got my Sabbat cards. A guy from a store in
> Pasadena drove to his distributor at about 7:00 PM last night and picked
> them up!
>
> Well since I actually have the cards and many of you are just reading
> the spoiler I'll comment on the look.
>
> WOW! I'm just blown away by the art. Great package design and the
> cards are beautiful. It is just plain freakish to pick up a booster
> with almost 30 cards in it. Overall I'm pleased with the set. They
> seem to have taken a lot more care with the wording of some cards and
> even took the time to make some reprinted cards more clear. HOWEVER, I
> am finding that the game is degenerating into a game of trumps! They
> added (another) OOT Master that can be used as defense against some more
> of the offensive trumps. [SARCASM ON] Thanks guys. That's just what we
> wanted. [SARCASM OFF]
Beautiful art is a good thing. At least they will make attractive
wallpaper.
Steve Bucy
In article <327626...@studio.disney.com>, Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> writes:
> WOW! I'm just blown away by the art. Great package design and the
> cards are beautiful. It is just plain freakish to pick up a booster
> with almost 30 cards in it. Overall I'm pleased with the set. They
> seem to have taken a lot more care with the wording of some cards and
> even took the time to make some reprinted cards more clear. HOWEVER, I
> am finding that the game is degenerating into a game of trumps! They
> added (another) OOT Master that can be used as defense against some more
> of the offensive trumps. [SARCASM ON] Thanks guys. That's just what we
> wanted. [SARCASM OFF]
Yeah.
> THE TREMERE CONSPIRACY!
> =======================
> It's true, there is a conspiracy. _Shotgun Ritual_ is as we expected.
> Pay 2 blood to do a second round strike in the first round. Next is
> _Eldritch Glimmer_:Thaum, Strike. Inferior 2R Damage AND can burn X
> blood for +X damage. The superior starts at 4R damage. There are many
> more to add. Take a look at Reverend Blackwood for example. I'll let
> others add to this list becuase I'm at work and can't do this all day.
Tremere conspiracy? Because they can now *almost* stop the
Sideslip-Blur-Death of My Concience loop of the Brujah? Sure, you can Thoughts
Betrayed, but now you are talking about pruning your Tremere deck into an
entirely unhealthy reliance upon combat. It'll sure hurt when someone votes at
you...
> UNBLOCKABILITY!
> ===============
> An alarming trend first begun with Horrific Countenance. In the
> beginning there was only Day Operation. Now they've added Walk Through
> Arcardia. A Malkavian Action Modifier. Costs 1 blood to play. Text
> is: "Flip a Coin. If it comes up heads, this action is _unblockable_.
> If it comes up tales the Malk. takes one unpreventable damage." Are
> they insane. 1 damage is no risk at all. We don't even get the
> advantage of trying to jam the Malk bleeder by not letting him cycle his
> stealth. This can be played at will.
> There is also an equipment that can be used once to make an action
> ublockable. I think there is also another modifier somewhere in this
> damn list. Anyway, this is really getting sick. Enough of the
> unblockable crap!
Note: Dementation, is not as good at Dominating Bleeds as Dominate is.
Dementation is a slightly different discipline, and should be looked at that
way.
As for your assertion that `first there was Day Operation' : I suggest
you amend that to: First we were able to recycle our Ghoul Escorts with
the Giovani.
> SUBTLETY!
> =========
> I've always been in favor of this one. Many of the cards are slight
> variations of Jyhad cards. Forced Awakening and Redirection are 2 good
> examples. When mixing sets we'll be debating whether the lack of cost
> of Redirection is worth the restrictions on when it can be played. I'll
> probably continue using wakes and will mix in Forced Awakenings also.
Whoohoo!
> ATTACKS ON MASTER: SKILL CARDS!> ========================
> Ok, so this is a small one and not that big a deal. But it bugs me.
> Master Cards are often necessary to fix some of the basic inequities of
> the vamps created for each clan as well as allowing some of the more
> creative decks to be made. This has just gotten more difficult to do.
This was already possable in Ancient Hearts.
> ERRORS!
> ======
>
> White Phosphorus Grenade. Weapon: Burn After _USE_. Does 2R aggravated
> _EACH STRIKE_. How do you do additional strikes? It should burn after
> the first one is resolved. Shouldn't it?
When burned after use, it is burned after the first strike resolution.
As such, it isn't going to be there during the next Choose Strike phase, and
no error was made. The wording sounds clumsy, because they were trying to
unify card text and have all cards use the same wording conventions.
> Robert
Ritaxis
L. Scott Johnson wrote:
>
> Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> writes:
>
> >ERRORS!
> >======
>
> >White Phosphorus Grenade. Weapon: Burn After _USE_. Does 2R aggravated
> >_EACH STRIKE_. How do you do additional strikes? It should burn after
> >the first one is resolved. Shouldn't it?
>> The "each strike" is the standard template for describing a weapon's
> capabilities. Yes, it will be burned after the first such strike.
>
> --
> L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | I don't suffer from insanity.
> http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | I enjoy every minute of it.
> Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |
Based on what a phosphorus grenade is, It is burnt after the first strike but
it keeps burning during every strike. Theat means it keeps doing damage even
though it was burnt.
Michael Kelly <ke...@lmsc.lockheed.com> writes:
>L. Scott Johnson wrote:>> Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> writes:
>>
>> >White Phosphorus Grenade. Weapon: Burn After _USE_. Does 2R aggravated
>> >_EACH STRIKE_. How do you do additional strikes? It should burn after
>> >the first one is resolved. Shouldn't it?
>>
>> The "each strike" is the standard template for describing a weapon's
>> capabilities. Yes, it will be burned after the first such strike.
>>>Based on what a phosphorus grenade is, It is burnt after the first strike but
>it keeps burning during every strike. Theat means it keeps doing damage even
>though it was burnt.
Heh! That's a good one. Nothing in the asheap affects anything (except
the size of the asheap :-)
Much more card text is required to make the WPG function as you suggest.
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In <3278F8...@lmsc.lockheed.com>, Michael Kelly <ke...@lmsc.lockheed.com> writes:
>L. Scott Johnson wrote:>>
>> Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> writes:
>>>> >ERRORS!
>> >======>>
>> >White Phosphorus Grenade. Weapon: Burn After _USE_. Does 2R aggravated
>> >_EACH STRIKE_. How do you do additional strikes? It should burn after
>> >the first one is resolved. Shouldn't it?
>>
>> The "each strike" is the standard template for describing a weapon's
>> capabilities. Yes, it will be burned after the first such strike.>
>Based on what a phosphorus grenade is, It is burnt after the first strike but
>it keeps burning during every strike. Theat means it keeps doing damage even
>though it was burnt.
That sort of make sense but it should be per round instead of per strike if
we follow your explaination. The fact the it keeps on burning (ie doing
more damage) should be related to how long the vampire is exposed to the
effects of the grenade.
Loy.
My take on the 2R - Aggravated each strike is based on the WOTC ruling
that if someone
decides to use a Bomb or Grenade in combat, and your opponent uses S:CE
or Dodge, then
the Bomb or Grenade wasn't used (as there was no actual target/excuse to
use the weapon).
Now lets say I'm using the White Phosphorous grenade and my opponent
tries to use a dodge.
I could then blur for an additional strike to use the WP:Grenade to full
effect.
Hmmm, in hindsight then you really wouldn't need the errata on the
card. Though for those
who might not be aware of the ruling, it would probably help others
determine something similar
to what I described above.
- Bernie
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