GenCon - Question about Tournament Rules

I seem to recall Tom Wylie stating that "tapped vampires could play action modifer cards." I wanted to verify that (at least as far as DCI rules are concerned) this was a correct statement. My main question is about action modifiers played by a vampire other than the acting vampire. Can a tapped vampire play Cloak the Gathering to give another acting minion +1 stealth?

In article <d-hyatt....@ta21.cs.uiuc.edu>, d-h...@cs.uiuc.edu (David Hyatt) writes: > >I seem to recall Tom Wylie stating that "tapped vampires >could play action modifer cards." I wanted to verify >that (at least as far as DCI rules are concerned) this >was a correct statement. That is a correct statement. > >My main question is about action modifiers played by a >vampire other than the acting vampire. Can a tapped >vampire play Cloak the Gathering to give another >acting minion +1 stealth? > Yes. That is its intended use. (Superior version only of course.) > > > Rich

In article <d-hyatt....@ta21.cs.uiuc.edu>, David Hyatt <d-h...@cs.uiuc.edu> wrote: >I seem to recall Tom Wylie stating that "tapped vampires >could play action modifer cards." I wanted to verify >that (at least as far as DCI rules are concerned) this >was a correct statement. > >My main question is about action modifiers played by a >vampire other than the acting vampire. Can a tapped >vampire play Cloak the Gathering to give another >acting minion +1 stealth? > Since the DCI has banned itself from changing the rules of the game (except w.r.t. deck size and composition), the offical rule will be in place - that is, tapped minions can play action modifiers (and that is usually the case, since a minion taps to take an action in the first place). -- ----- L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) | The opinions expressed are mine Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger | and subject to card text

Also sprach Lion RAR (lio...@aol.com): >>In article <d-hyatt....@ta21.cs.uiuc.edu>, d-h...@cs.uiuc.edu >>(David Hyatt) writes: >>> >>>I seem to recall Tom Wylie stating that "tapped vampires >>>could play action modifer cards." I wanted to verify >>>that (at least as far as DCI rules are concerned) this >>>was a correct statement. >>That is a correct statement. >>> >>>My main question is about action modifiers played by a >>>vampire other than the acting vampire. Can a tapped >>>vampire play Cloak the Gathering to give another >>>acting minion +1 stealth? >>> >>Yes. That is its intended use. (Superior version only of course.) Is this also true for "Hidden Lurker", since there was an errata that it is an action modifier? Thanks Frank ============================================================================= Frank Niemeyer: Environmental Research Center (FZU) at the Karlsruhe Univerity, Germany EMail: frank.n...@fzu.uni-karlsruhe.de WWW: http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~rz71/ Telefon: ++49-(0)721-608-3751 =============================================================================

On 6 Aug 1996, Frank Niemeyer wrote: [Re: Tapped Minions playing action modifiers] > Is this also true for "Hidden Lurker", since there was an errata that it is an > action modifier? Looking at the original Jyhad text makes it more clear: Hidden Lurker Action [Modifier] Obfuscate Normal: Only usable after an acting minion that you control other than this vampire has just completed combat. This vampire now enters combat with the blocking minion. This vampire is tapped. The first ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ round of this combat, the blocking minion cannot use any strikes. Superior: As above, with an optional press. Untapped minions are the only ones that can be tapped. Thus, yes, you need an untapped minion to play Hidden Lurker. @ The Corrupter - Adrian Lee Sullivan @ GAT/CS/WS R+++* r(+)>++ # Gamer Coffee-Addict Scripter Author # C(+++)$ USX+$ N++ e+* @#$ Comments ? sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu $#@ tv(+)> X++ b++(+++) @#$ <http://cslab.uwlax.edu/~sulli_al/jyhad> $#@ PS+&-+ PE&-&++ z*+?

rz...@nz50.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Frank Niemeyer) wrote: > Also sprach Lion RAR (lio...@aol.com): > >>In article <d-hyatt....@ta21.cs.uiuc.edu>, d-h...@cs.uiuc.edu > >>(David Hyatt) writes: > > >>> > >>>I seem to recall Tom Wylie stating that "tapped vampires > >>>could play action modifer cards." I wanted to verify > >>>that (at least as far as DCI rules are concerned) this > >>>was a correct statement. > > >>That is a correct statement. > > Is this also true for "Hidden Lurker", since there was an errata that > it is an action modifier? > There was a "tack-on" post from Tom stating that the HL errata included needing an untapped minion, who tapped to do the HL. --Eric

In article <4u7f6p$6...@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, rz...@nz50.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Frank Niemeyer) writes: > >>>> >>>>I seem to recall Tom Wylie stating that "tapped vampires >>>>could play action modifer cards." I wanted to verify >>>>that (at least as far as DCI rules are concerned) this >>>>was a correct statement. > >>>That is a correct statement. >>>> >>>>My main question is about action modifiers played by a >>>>vampire other than the acting vampire. Can a tapped >>>>vampire play Cloak the Gathering to give another >>>>acting minion +1 stealth? >>>> >>>Yes. That is its intended use. (Superior version only of course.) > >Is this also true for "Hidden Lurker", since there was an errata that it is >an >action modifier? > >Thanks > Frank I don't believe that is how it should be. I feel a "Usable only by an untapped vampire" would be in order for this card. But you raise a good question, one I've never been sure of myself. Opinions...? Rulings...? Anyone...? Rich Take life with a grain of salt.

In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960807142253.9349G-100000@pentode>, The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes: > >[Re: Tapped Minions playing action modifiers] >> Is this also true for "Hidden Lurker", since there was an errata that it is >an >> action modifier? > >Looking at the original Jyhad text makes it more clear: > >Hidden Lurker Action [Modifier] Obfuscate > Normal: Only usable after an acting minion that you control other than > this vampire has just completed combat. This vampire now enters > combat with the blocking minion. This vampire is tapped. The first > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > round of this combat, the blocking minion cannot use any strikes. > Superior: As above, with an optional press. > >Untapped minions are the only ones that can be tapped. Thus, yes, you >need an untapped minion to play Hidden Lurker. > > I agree with your answer but not your reasoning: there is a vote mod. requiring voting vampires to tap. I know voting is not an action modifier but... if you're tapped can you then, not vote? [ quoted text not captured ]

The Corrupter wrote: > > On 6 Aug 1996, Frank Niemeyer wrote: > > [Re: Tapped Minions playing action modifiers] > > Is this also true for "Hidden Lurker", since there was an errata that it is an > > action modifier? > > Looking at the original Jyhad text makes it more clear: > > Hidden Lurker Action [Modifier] Obfuscate > Normal: Only usable after an acting minion that you control other than > this vampire has just completed combat. This vampire now enters > combat with the blocking minion. This vampire is tapped. The first > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > round of this combat, the blocking minion cannot use any strikes. > Superior: As above, with an optional press. > > Untapped minions are the only ones that can be tapped. Thus, yes, you > need an untapped minion to play Hidden Lurker. > I agree with your results but the analysis is faulty. If you go to the tread about Toreador Grand Ball you will find that although the effects include tapping the host vampire, the vampire need not be untapped to allow play of the card.