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Karen Suadela questions (LSJ)

2 messages from 2 participants · 21 January 2010
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Stone

The following questions involve Karen Suadela and assume she is a Prince, except on question 5/. 1/ If Karen Suadela is in torpor and still a Prince, does her controller need to burn 1 pool during the discard phase if Dragonbound is in play ? I guess yes, she is immune to Gehenna but her controller isn't (or something like that). 2/ Can Karen Suadela be chosen for blood transfer via Blood Trade ? If yes, would the blood effectively move ? 3/ Would her controller have to reveal the first discipline-requiring card played with Veil of Darkness in play ? (I guess not, just checking..) 4/ Can she call the referendum to burn the New Inquisition ? 5/ With Blood Weakens in play, I guess she just replaces the card requiring disciplines she plays. Now if she commits diablerie and later on loses her Prince title (with no other Gehenna played), is she still immune to BW ? I guess not, she should also be "immune" to the immunity-granted-by-diablerie effect whilst still being a Prince. The same question could apply to Slow Withering and the answer should be the same. 6/ Fueled by Heart's Blood is in play and has less counters than Karen's capacity. If she diablerizes a younger vampire, is a blood hunt called ? 7/ Restricted Vitae is in play. Obviously, Karen is still allowed to hunt as normal. Can she perform the alternate hunt action (should be "no") ? Can she still be chosen by another vampire for the alternate hunt action (should be yes, by analogy with the Recalled to the Founder case) ? If the answer is yes, she wouldn't lose any blood and the hunting vampire wouldn't gain any blood ? 8/ Nightmares upon Nightmares She is obviously immune to the "tap that vampire" effect, but is her controller still allowed to burn a card from his hand (cycling purpose) ? 9/ Conquest of Humanity vs locations on Karen (Palatial Estate etc.). Those locations are affected as normal by the event, right ? 10/ Break the Code : she cannot enter combat with an Imbued using BtC ? most card texts included below. thanks Stone Name: Dragonbound [Gehenna:R, LotN:PA] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Do not replace as long as this card is in play. During each Methuselah's discard phase, he or she burns X pool, where X is the number of vampires in torpor he or she controls. Artist: Richard Thomas Name: Karen Suadela [KoT:V] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Brujah Group: 5 Capacity: 7 Discipline: obf pre CEL POT Camarilla Prince of Houston: Gehenna cards do not affect Karen while she is a prince. She gets +1 stealth on undirected actions. Artist: Heather Kreiter Name: Blood Trade [Gehenna:R] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Burn all boons in play. No more boons may be put in play. During each Methuselah's untap phase, that Methuselah may move a blood from a vampire he or she controls to a vampire controlled by another Methuselah. Artist: Steve Ellis Name: Blood Weakens [Gehenna:R, KoT:R] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire commits diablerie. Cards minions play that require any Disciplines are not replaced until the end of the current action or until any Methuselah's hand is empty (whichever comes first). Any vampire who commits diablerie is immune to this effect until the next Gehenna card is played. Artist: Jeff Holt Name: Fueled by Heart's Blood [Gehenna:R] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire commits diablerie. Put 10 counters on this card. Remove one counter each time another Gehenna card is put in play. A blood hunt cannot be called on a vampire whose capacity is greater than the number of counters on this card when he or she diablerizes a younger vampire. Artist: Randy Asplund Name: Restricted Vitae [Gehenna:R, KMW:PAn] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Do not replace until a vampire successfully hunts. Vampires cannot hunt unless forced to hunt. A vampire who must hunt may hunt by stealing a blood from a younger vampire as a (D) action instead of performing the usual hunt action. Artist: Brian LeBlanc Name: Nightmares upon Nightmares [Gehenna:R] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Do not replace until your next discard phase. For each minion a Methuselah controls during his or her untap phase, the Methuselah must burn a card from his or her hand or tap that minion. Cards burned in this way are not replaced until the master phase. Vampires with capacity greater than the number of Gehenna cards in play and mortal allies are not affected by this card. Artist: Mark Nelson Name: Conquest of Humanity [Gehenna:R] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Do not replace until your next discard phase. Requires at least two other Gehenna cards in play. During each Methuselah's untap phase, he or she may choose a location controlled by his or her prey. The chosen location is burned unless its controller burns 2 pool. Artist: Joel Biske Name: Break the Code [NoR:R] Cardtype: Event Gehenna. Imbued get -1 intercept when attempting to block monsters. A ready monster can enter combat with an imbued as a (D) action. Artist: Veronica Jones

LSJ

On Jan 21, 5:18 am, "Stone" <mc_judge_st...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > The following questions involve Karen Suadela and assume she is a Prince, > except on question 5/. > > 1/ If Karen Suadela is in torpor and still a Prince, does her controller > need to burn 1 pool during the discard phase if Dragonbound is in play ? I > guess yes, she is immune to Gehenna but her controller isn't (or something > like that). Correct. Dragonbound doesn't affect any minion, so being immune to it is superfluous for minions. Suadela's controller burns a pool for her being in torpor, as usual. > 2/ Can Karen Suadela be chosen for blood transfer via Blood Trade ? If yes, > would the blood effectively move ? Blood Trade cannot move blood from her. Blood moved to her would go to the bank instead. > 3/ Would her controller have to reveal the first discipline-requiring card > played with Veil of Darkness in play ? (I guess not, just checking..) Correct. She'd be immune to the consequences of revealing a master card in any event, so it seems more logical to be immune to revealing the card at all. > 4/ Can she call the referendum to burn the New Inquisition ? No. > 5/ With Blood Weakens in play, I guess she just replaces the card requiring > disciplines she plays. Correct. > Now if she commits diablerie and later on loses her > Prince title (with no other Gehenna played), is she still immune to BW ? I > guess not, she should also be "immune" to the immunity-granted-by-diablerie > effect whilst still being a Prince. Correct. > The same question could apply to Slow > Withering and the answer should be the same. Correct. > 6/ Fueled by Heart's Blood is in play and has less counters than Karen's > capacity. If she diablerizes a younger vampire, is a blood hunt called ? Yes. > 7/ Restricted Vitae is in play. Obviously, Karen is still allowed to hunt as > normal. Can she perform the alternate hunt action (should be "no") ? Correct. > Can she > still be chosen by another vampire for the alternate hunt action (should be > yes, by analogy with the Recalled to the Founder case) ? If the answer is > yes, she wouldn't lose any blood and the hunting vampire wouldn't gain any > blood ? Correct. > 8/ Nightmares upon Nightmares > She is obviously immune to the "tap that vampire" effect, but is her > controller still allowed to burn a card from his hand (cycling purpose) ? Yes, similar to the Recalled to the Founder case cited in 7/ (and parallel to the Dragonbound example in 1/. > 9/ Conquest of Humanity vs locations on Karen (Palatial Estate etc.). Those > locations are affected as normal by the event, right ? Yes. > 10/ Break the Code : she cannot enter combat with an Imbued using BtC ? Correct. [ quoted text not captured ]