LSJ Drawing out the Beast?

Is Drawing out the Beast for that round or for the whole combat?

A card lasts for the whole combat when it says that it lasts for the duration of the combat. If not specified, always assume that the duration of a combat card expire at the end of the round. pittboo a écrit dans le message <74lagh$4uj$1...@remarQ.com>... [ quoted text not captured ]

"pittboo" <pit...@olypen.com> wrote: > Is Drawing out the Beast for that round or for the whole combat? Whole combat. (card text: "During this combat" and "each round") -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

> > Is Drawing out the Beast for that round or for the whole combat? > Whole combat. (card text: "During this combat" and "each round") While this is being brought up...If DotB is played at superior and the opposing player taps the Arboretum in response, does the opposing vampire still take a point of damage? My guess is yes, but I wanted to verify. Noal -- "DISCUSSION, n. A method of confirming others in their errors." -Ambrose Bierce. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <74m1gj$3hp$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > Is Drawing out the Beast for that round or for the whole combat? > > Whole combat. (card text: "During this combat" and "each round") > > While this is being brought up...If DotB is played at superior and the > opposing player taps the Arboretum in response, does the opposing > vampire still take a point of damage? My guess is yes, but I wanted > to verify. Tap the Arboretum! Tap the Arboretum! Hehehe. But good question. I assume you've looked at the card text more recently than I have, because I keep thinking that it says tap as combat is entered or something, but from the way you're asking this, I'd bet it reads before range is determined, doesn't it... Xian "they look at you funny when you attack things like a hungry mountain lion on crack" --greensea [ quoted text not captured ]

Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > While this is being brought up...If DotB is played at superior and the > opposing player taps the Arboretum in response, does the opposing > vampire still take a point of damage? My guess is yes, but I wanted > to verify. Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]

> I assume > you've looked at the card text more recently than I have, because I keep > thinking that it says tap as combat is entered or something, but from the way > you're asking this, I'd bet it reads before range is determined, doesn't > it... ayup... Card Title: Elysium: The Arboretum Card Text: Master: unique location Only usable before range is determined. Tap to end a combat involving a vampire you control. Any vampire can burn this card with a successful vote; calling this vote is a +1 stealth action. It certainly is a valid response to someone else's pre-range cards. Noal -- "DISCUSSION, n. A method of confirming others in their errors." -Ambrose Bierce. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I assume > > you've looked at the card text more recently than I have, because I keep > > thinking that it says tap as combat is entered or something, but from the way > > you're asking this, I'd bet it reads before range is determined, doesn't > > it... > > ayup... > > It certainly is a valid response to someone else's pre-range cards. Of course, "In response" doesn't mean your effect will resolve first - this isn't Magic the Gathering, afterall. So though it is a valid reponse, it's not always an effective one (which is why it doesn't work against the damage caused by DotB, or say, Blood to Water.) It's good against Torn Signpost, though, even though TS's effect still occurs. -davey!

davey hathorn wrote: > Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > > It [Elysium: The Arboretum] certainly is a valid response to someone > > else's pre-range cards. > > Of course, "In response" doesn't mean your effect will resolve first - > this isn't Magic the Gathering, afterall. ...and we can all be grateful for that. > So though it is a valid reponse, it's not always an effective one > (which is why it doesn't work against the damage caused by DotB, or say, > Blood to Water.) Actually, that is a very _good_ time to use it. In the JOL game (jol76) that spawned this discussion, I'm playing a Ventrue with Assault Rifles deck. If DotB gets played, I can't use my bug guns so I take my 1 damage and get away from the big mean Gangrel. Against Blood to Water, even better. Sure I may lose my blood, but I won't get burned by the Walk of Flame that's sure to follow. There is one thing that the Arboretum can't help you with is the Dawn Op, Skin of Night, Weather Control combo. Before range is determined, the blocking vampire goes to torpor. To put it simply, "Good Night, John Boy." Noal McDonald Great Googily Moogily of Westland, MI [ quoted text not captured ]

Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > davey hathorn wrote: > > Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > It [Elysium: The Arboretum] certainly is a valid response to someone > > > else's pre-range cards. > > So though it is a valid reponse, it's not always an effective one > > (which is why it doesn't work against the damage caused by DotB, or say, > > Blood to Water.) > Against Blood to Water, even better. Sure I may lose my blood, but I won't > get burned by the Walk of Flame that's sure to follow. It isn't applicable after Blood to Water, since the latter is not played until after range is determined. [RTR 13-NOV-96] [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > > Against Blood to Water, even better. Sure I may lose my blood, but I won't > > get burned by the Walk of Flame that's sure to follow. > It isn't applicable after Blood to Water, since the latter is not played > until after range is determined. [RTR 13-NOV-96] oops. *grin* caught me not giving this statement much thought. Noal [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <74rche$ml2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > > Actually, that is a very _good_ time to use it. In the JOL game (jol76) that > spawned this discussion, I'm playing a Ventrue with Assault Rifles deck. If > DotB gets played, I can't use my bug guns so I take my 1 damage and get > away from the big mean Gangrel. What about the big mean Tremere with Animailsm? Huh? Hehe. > Against Blood to Water, even better. Sure I may lose my blood, but I won't > get burned by the Walk of Flame that's sure to follow. LSJ already got you on this one...plus it's second round...hmm...we've always played Elysium right before first round. I guess there isn't a restriction against using it before range on the second round, is there? Seems like a waste of time/resources, though... > There is one thing that the Arboretum can't help you with is the Dawn Op, > Skin of Night, Weather Control combo. Before range is determined, the > blocking vampire goes to torpor. To put it simply, "Good Night, John Boy." Damn...I knew I should have played that deck...but I jst *had* to try my new Ani/Cel/Tha deck, didn't I? Oh well... Xian "they look at you funny when you attack things like a hungry mountain lion on crack" --greensea -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]