Contesting Vampires/Torpor Vamps Questions

If you have a contested vampire can either of you use a minion tap to take the blood off the contested vampire? Can you put blood from a hunting ground card on a vampire in torpor? If a vampire is brought out of torpor by another vampire and it has no blood on it, does it have to tap and hunt immediately or can it be used to block and hunt on its next turn? This is a real problem with a vamp who has Fame. It keeps on blocking and then keeps going to Torpor with its prey burning three pool each time!!!!

On Sun, 16 Jun 1996 00:58:51 -0500, pgh...@city-net.com wrote: >If you have a contested vampire can either of you use a minion tap to take >the blood off the contested vampire? No. The vampires are considered out of play for all effects and purposes until one has been yielded and then the remaining one comes back into play on its controlers next Untap phase. >Can you put blood from a hunting ground card on a vampire in torpor? No. Card text specifies a ready vampire and if thier in Torpor they are not ready. You have 3 areas for your minions. Uncontroled, Controled which has the ready region and the torpor region which is not ready but still controled. Some cards such as the rack will still give a vampire in torpor blood. >If a vampire is brought out of torpor by another vampire and it has no >blood on it, does it have to tap and hunt immediately or can it be used to >block and hunt on its next turn? This is a real problem with a vamp who >has Fame. It keeps on blocking and then keeps going to Torpor with its >prey burning three pool each time!!!! It must hunt as the first/next action whenever a vampire is ready and at 0 blood. Rory

>If a vampire is brought out of torpor by another vampire and it has no >blood on it, does it have to tap and hunt immediately or can it be used to >block and hunt on its next turn? This is a real problem with a vamp who >has Fame. It keeps on blocking and then keeps going to Torpor with its >prey burning three pool each time!!!! It must hunt as the first/next action whenever a vampire is ready and at 0 blood. That is not exactly correct. A vampire must hunt only when it has no blood on it at the beginning of Minion Phase, in which case this action must be taken before any other minion takes any other action. But as a vampire cannot hunt in torport, and as rescue from torpor constitutes an action, the minion recued from torpor is not required to hunt until the next round.

> >That is not exactly correct. A vampire must hunt only when it has no > >blood on it at the beginning of Minion Phase, in which case this action > >must be taken before any other minion takes any other action. But as a > >vampire cannot hunt in torport, and as rescue from torpor constitutes > >an action, the minion recued from torpor is not required to hunt until > >the next round. How this problem came up to begin with is we have added a few new players to our group. These people played that if a vampire is rescued from Torpor with zero blood, it must hunt. We have always played that it would hunt the next round and could be used to block in the round it was brought out of Torpor by another vampire. So of course we argued about this for about 45 minutes!!!! Randy.

On 17 Jun 1996 07:45:46 -0500, ma...@clubmet.metrobbs.com (Brian Walker) wrote: >That is not exactly correct. A vampire must hunt only when it has no >blood on it at the beginning of Minion Phase, in which case this action >must be taken before any other minion takes any other action. But as a >vampire cannot hunt in torport, and as rescue from torpor constitutes >an action, the minion recued from torpor is not required to hunt until >the next round. Well thats not how my group has always played, but lets see if Scott or Tom pop by. Rory The Ref at refplace.best.com

[ quoted text not captured ] You're both right (sort-of). The Jyhad rulebook said that a vampire had to hunt if they had no blood at the beginning of the minion phase. That has now been corrected. I know that it's official that the minion will have to hunt if at any time it is untapped and has no blood. I can't remember whether it is in the VTES rulebook or from a ruling from Tom. Robert ...................................................................... :The opinions expressed here are strictly my own delusional ramblings: :and do not reflect the opinions of The Walt Disney Company. : : : :Robert Goudie robert...@studio.disney.com: :....................................................................: :cigars * v:tes * car rallies * scotch * sega rally champion * spoon : :....................................................................:

From: pgh...@city-net.com [Re: Empty vamps: when they hunt] > How this problem came up to begin with is we have added a few new players > to our group. These people played that if a vampire is rescued from Torpor > with zero blood, it must hunt. We have always played that it would hunt > the next round and could be used to block in the round it was brought out > of Torpor by another vampire. So of course we argued about this for about > 45 minutes!!!! Whenever arguing comes into the matter, it is usually best to agree to disagree for now... flip a coin, and find the ruling for the next time. In any case, we could be playing it wrong, but what we do is the following: Whenever you have an empty vampire, your next action must be to hunt with it (or any other empty vampire). Of course, If you don't act, you haven't violated that rule... Is this wrong? @ The Corrupter - Adrian Lee Sullivan @ GAT/CS/WS R+++* r(+)>++ # Gamer Coffee-Addict Scripter Author # C(+++)$ USX+$ N++ e+* @#$ Comments ? sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu $#@ tv(+)> X++ b++(+++) @#$ <http://cslab.uwlax.edu/~sulli_al/jyhad> $#@ PS+&_+ PE&-&++ z*+?

If you control at least one untapped, ready, empty vampire during your minion phase, the vampire(s) *must* hunt before any other action can be taken, or before you can end your minion phase. The only exception is if all of those vampires are prohibited from hunting. So yes, if you rescue a vampire that comes into your ready region untapped and out of blood, that vampire must hunt before you can do anything else. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:04:44 -0700, Robert Goudie <Robert...@studio.disney.com> wrote: > >You're both right (sort-of). The Jyhad rulebook said that a vampire had >to hunt if they had no blood at the beginning of the minion phase. That >has now been corrected. I know that it's official that the minion will >have to hunt if at any time it is untapped and has no blood. I can't >remember whether it is in the VTES rulebook or from a ruling from Tom. >Robert Well Tom just droped by and agreed/restated the ruling. Thanks The Ref at refplace.best.com

The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes: >In any case, we could be playing it wrong, but what we do is the following: > Whenever you have an empty vampire, your next action must be to >hunt with it (or any other empty vampire). Of course, If you don't act, >you haven't violated that rule... >Is this wrong? Yep. Although the minion phase is optional, it is mandatory if you have an empty, ready vampire. And, during your minion phase, if you have one or more empty ready vamps, you must hunt with one of those vamps (and repeat until you have no empty ready vamps). -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | 'I know' is just 'I believe' http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | with delusions of grandeur. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

Hi Tom, On 18 Jun 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote: > > If you control at least one untapped, ready, empty vampire during your minion > phase, the vampire(s) *must* hunt before any other action can be taken, > or before you can end your minion phase. The only exception is if all > of those vampires are prohibited from hunting. So yes, if you rescue a vampire > that comes into your ready region untapped and out of blood, that vampire must > hunt before you can do anything else. > This part is pretty clear, but if you rescue a vampire from torpor who has no blood, can you do nothing instead of hunting? I believe that is what the ruling used to be. Has this changed? Algustas *****The commons, faithful to their system, remained in a wise and masterly inactivity.***** Sir James Mackintosh

refp...@best.com (Rory) wrote: >On 17 Jun 1996 07:45:46 -0500, ma...@clubmet.metrobbs.com (Brian >Walker) wrote: >>That is not exactly correct. A vampire must hunt only when it has no >>blood on it at the beginning of Minion Phase, in which case this action >>must be taken before any other minion takes any other action. But as a >>vampire cannot hunt in torport, and as rescue from torpor constitutes >>an action, the minion recued from torpor is not required to hunt until >>the next round. >Well thats not how my group has always played, but lets see if Scott >or Tom pop by. Its a question of wether being rescued from Topor taps the vampire isn't it? Here's what the vampire rulebook says: page 41 and 42 2) if the rescuing vampire is not blocked, the rescued vampire leaves topor and is placed in the active region. If you are rescuing a vampire belonging to another methuselah, the rescued vampire stays with that methuselah. The rescued vampire does not tap or untap as a result of leaving topor. Ok. ref. page 19 untapping Note: untapping is mandatory. You must untap all of your tapped cards during this phase. So, if the vampire was sent to topor last turn during its action (tapped), then it will untap this turn IN TOPOR. In the minion phase it can attempt to come out (if it has blood enough) and be tapped by that action, or it can be rescued. If rescued, it will be untapped and able to take an action that turn, such as hunt. If it is rescued with no blood on it, then it must hunt. Follow my logic? TOM : does this jive with you?

sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) wrote: >The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes: >>In any case, we could be playing it wrong, but what we do is the following: >> Whenever you have an empty vampire, your next action must be to >>hunt with it (or any other empty vampire). Of course, If you don't act, >>you haven't violated that rule... >>Is this wrong? >Yep. Although the minion phase is optional, it is mandatory if you have >an empty, ready vampire. >And, during your minion phase, if you have one or more empty ready vamps, >you must hunt with one of those vamps (and repeat until you have no >empty ready vamps). >-- And isn't also true that a vampire with no blood on it may not do anything, including block? If I have a vampire with one blood and that blood is stolen (with a Cryptic Mission, for example) and my predator tries to bleed me, can I block with that vampire? We play that without blood a vampire can take no actions (except hunting in its own minion phase) including reaction and blocking. Yes, I know it's topic drift, but whaddaya say, folks? ------------------------------- --------------------------------------- Scoundrel "Omni mutantur, nihil interit." a.k.a. Chuck Kallenbach II Everything changes, scou...@inlink.com but nothing is truly lost. http://www.inlink.com/~scoundrl --"Exiles," Neil Gaiman, Sandman #74 =============================== =======================================

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Algustas wrote: > Date: Sat, 22 JUN 1996 10:56:34 -0700 > From: Algustas <cfr...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > Newgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad > Subject: Re: Contesting Vampires/Torpor Vamps Questions [ quoted text not captured ] I thought than when you rescued a vampire from torpor with another vampire BOTH vampires were tapped. you can use blood from either vamp to bring it out and you can use action modifiers from the rescuing vampire but both vampires must be tapped. But this is what I remember from the original Jyhad rules and this may have changed. ********************************************************************** "...I'm just a hard-working girl trying to make it in a man's world." -Catwoman (Issue #30) *************************************** Dharia McGrew damc...@mhc.mtholyoke.edu and of course.....(in other words, LOOK AT IT!!!!) http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~damcgrew **********************************************************************

another thing about being tapped in torpor.Are there still rules for paralyzing (i.e. staking) vampires?? I remember them from jyhad I am wondering if they have carried over to the new game. [ quoted text not captured ]

Hi Rory, Yes, Tom was pretty clear on this, I only questioned it because it is a reversal of something he has posted before, and I just wanted to make sure it was official. I actually think it makes more sense this way. It is official, right Tom? The part about having to hunt before the end of your minion phase if you have a vamp rescued from torpor with no blood on him? Just making sure... Algustas On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Rory wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:56:34 -0700, Algustas > <cfr...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote: > > >On 18 Jun 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote: > >> > >> If you control at least one untapped, ready, empty vampire during your minion > >> phase, the vampire(s) *must* hunt before any other action can be taken, > >> or before you can end your minion phase. The only exception is if all > >> of those vampires are prohibited from hunting. So yes, if you rescue a vampire > >> that comes into your ready region untapped and out of blood, that vampire must > >> hunt before you can do anything else. > >> > > This part is pretty clear, but if you rescue a vampire from > >torpor who has no blood, can you do nothing instead of hunting? I believe > >that is what the ruling used to be. Has this changed? > > Algustas > >*****The commons, faithful to their system, remained in a wise and > >masterly inactivity.***** Sir James Mackintosh > > Note that he said during your minion phase and nothing was said about > only at the begining of it. So if at any time you have an untapped > vampire during your minion phase with 0 blood it must hunt as your > next action unless it is prohibited from hunting from another card > effect. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.960623...@mhc.mtholyoke.edu>, Catwoman <damc...@mtholyoke.edu> wrote: > I thought than when you rescued a vampire from torpor with another > vampire BOTH vampires were tapped. you can use blood from either vamp to > bring it out and you can use action modifiers from the rescuing vampire > but both vampires must be tapped. But this is what I remember from the > original Jyhad rules and this may have changed. No. Only the rescuer taps--the rescued vampire neither taps nor untaps by the rescue. (Torp'ed vampires untap normally, unless sent by Rowan Ring/Stake/Wooden Stake.) J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com> PGP keys by request

On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:56:34 -0700, Algustas <cfr...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote: >Hi Tom, >On 18 Jun 1996, Thomas R Wylie wrote: >> >> If you control at least one untapped, ready, empty vampire during your minion >> phase, the vampire(s) *must* hunt before any other action can be taken, >> or before you can end your minion phase. The only exception is if all >> of those vampires are prohibited from hunting. So yes, if you rescue a vampire >> that comes into your ready region untapped and out of blood, that vampire must >> hunt before you can do anything else. >> > This part is pretty clear, but if you rescue a vampire from >torpor who has no blood, can you do nothing instead of hunting? I believe >that is what the ruling used to be. Has this changed? > Algustas >*****The commons, faithful to their system, remained in a wise and >masterly inactivity.***** Sir James Mackintosh Note that he said during your minion phase and nothing was said about only at the begining of it. So if at any time you have an untapped vampire during your minion phase with 0 blood it must hunt as your next action unless it is prohibited from hunting from another card effect. This could also happen from a freak drive for instance. You could not have the minion untap from a Majesty or freak drive and bleed if it was at 0 blood. It must hunt. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 18:31:09 GMT, scou...@inlink.com (Scoundrel (Chuck Kallenbach II)) wrote: >And isn't also true that a vampire with no blood on it may not do >anything, including block? >If I have a vampire with one blood and that blood is stolen (with a >Cryptic Mission, for example) and my predator tries to bleed me, can I >block with that vampire? We play that without blood a vampire can take >no actions (except hunting in its own minion phase) including reaction >and blocking. >Yes, I know it's topic drift, but whaddaya say, folks? Nope, its not true. The next time he acts he will have to hunt but he can still react as long as he is untapped and can block or play reaxtion cards. Alos he can play wake like cards to react. Rory The Ref at refp...@best.com

scou...@inlink.com (Scoundrel (Chuck Kallenbach II)) writes: >sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) wrote: >>And, during your minion phase, if you have one or more empty ready vamps, >>you must hunt with one of those vamps (and repeat until you have no >>empty ready vamps). >And isn't also true that a vampire with no blood on it may not do >anything, including block? No. A minion need only be untapped to attampt to block (barring any further card text - like Navar or Blood Bond). >If I have a vampire with one blood and that blood is stolen (with a >Cryptic Mission, for example) and my predator tries to bleed me, can I >block with that vampire? We play that without blood a vampire can take >no actions (except hunting in its own minion phase) including reaction >and blocking. >Yes, I know it's topic drift, but whaddaya say, folks? Reactions, blocking (and even action modifiers like Cloak the Gathering) are all legal options to empty vampires. The only thing they cannot do is any *action* other than hunting. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 22:08:07 -0400, Catwoman <damc...@mtholyoke.edu> wrote: >I thought than when you rescued a vampire from torpor with another >vampire BOTH vampires were tapped. you can use blood from either vamp to >bring it out and you can use action modifiers from the rescuing vampire >but both vampires must be tapped. But this is what I remember from the >original Jyhad rules and this may have changed. >Dharia McGrew >damc...@mhc.mtholyoke.edu From the old Jhyad it was always just a matter of tapping the one who did the rescuing, whether that was the minion in Torpor or another. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:09:43 -0400, Catwoman <damc...@mtholyoke.edu> wrote: > another thing about being tapped in torpor.Are there still rules for >paralyzing (i.e. staking) vampires?? I remember them from jyhad I am >wondering if they have carried over to the new game. THey are gone ecept for card specific text. No more general rules, instead refer to the card that did the job. The new wooden stake does aggro (after the first point) but says on the card that if the vampire goes to Torpor it stays Tapped. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:57:32 -0700, Algustas <cfr...@gladstone.uoregon.edu> wrote: >Hi Rory, > Yes, Tom was pretty clear on this, I only questioned it because >it is a reversal of something he has posted before, and I just wanted to >make sure it was official. I actually think it makes more sense this way. >It is official, right Tom? The part about having to hunt before the end >of your minion phase if you have a vamp rescued from torpor with no blood >on him? Just making sure... > Algustas Hopefully then he will reconfirm. I too feel that this is the way it makes the most sense as a vampire at 0 blood is really hungry. Our group has a house rule that this is the way. [ quoted text not captured ]

Graham <gra...@gol.com> wrote: >So, if the vampire was sent to topor last turn during its action >(tapped), then it will untap this turn IN TOPOR. In the minion phase >it can attempt to come out (if it has blood enough) and be tapped by >that action, or it can be rescued. If rescued, it will be untapped >and able to take an action that turn, such as hunt. If it is rescued >with no blood on it, then it must hunt. All correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Actually, the Wooden Stake is superior to the Stake. A paralyzed vampire could be rescued with no blood cost; the Wooden Stake does not allow that. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Rory wrote: > Date: Thu, 27 JUN 1996 15:53:27 GMT > From: Rory <refp...@best.com> > Newgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad > Subject: Re: Contesting Vampires/Torpor Vamps Questions > > On Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:45:55 -0500, ew...@chattanooga.net (J. Andrew > Lipscomb) wrote: > > >Actually, the Wooden Stake is superior to the Stake. A paralyzed vampire > >could be rescued with no blood cost; the Wooden Stake does not allow that. > > >J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com> > >PGP keys by request > > And even more dangerous is that it can burn a vampire. A lot like a > cheap sengir dagger. > Rory > The Ref at refp...@best.com > > > Is it still not a unique weapon?? Now that would certainly be a bonus over the sengir dagger. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:51:35 -0400, Bastet <damc...@mtholyoke.edu> wrote: > >> >Is it still not a unique weapon?? Now that would certainly be a bonus over >the sengir dagger. :) >********************************************************************** >"...I'm just a hard-working girl trying to make it in a man's world." > -Catwoman (Issue #30) > *************************************** >Dharia McGrew >damc...@mhc.mtholyoke.edu >and of course.....(in other words, LOOK AT IT!!!!) >http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~damcgrew >********************************************************************** Wooden Stake Melee Weapon Minion with this equipment inflicts hand damage as a strike. If more than 1 damage is inflicted with this weapon, all additional damage is aggravated. If the victim is sent to torpor, transfer this card to the victim; the victim does not untap while in torpor. You had better watch it coming back at you, just like the previous version. This version is definately deadlier though and a potence deck can really use it effectively. [ quoted text not captured ]