repost question for LSJ

LSJ wrote: > Michael Beer wrote: > > > Michael Beer (Mi...@leila.ping.de) wrote: > > > : A Stanislava from hell deck: > > > > > > : Bleed (with Dominate), be blocked, play > > > : Dawn Op + Drawing out the Beast + Form of Mist > > > : then eat your opponent for snack (with Amaranth), allow it yourself with > > > Absolution of the Diabolist, > > > : and get on with Business "as if unblocked". *mjam* > > > > Is this combination of cards legal? > > Yes. But the action will not continue as if unblocked. > > Like a new combat, the process of diablerie sufficiently > disrupts the "continue action" effect even though it doesn't > explicitly block the action's continuance. Precedence: the > ruling on Psyche and Form of Mist: > > http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=102367942 > > I'll put this on the RT review list, just to make sure. > > -- > L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. > Searchable database of official card text, errata, and rulings: > http://deckserver.net/cgi-deckserver/rulemonger.cgi/powersearch I would have thought by your previous ruling on the Rotschreck/Amaranth/Decapitate question that this would not be the case. Since FOM is ending the combat wouldn't the same ruling apply?? (ie. since the combat ends when R. is played niether Amaranth or Decapitate may be played, as they are combat cards.) Why the distinction between the text "Combat ends before damage is resolved" (the Rotschreck text) and S:CE which in practice they are exactly the same??? Just a bit puzzled, Karl

Karl and Sam wrote: > [Reposted question] The reply is on DejaNews: http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=382749606 The short answer: they are different because the [old] RT made rulings to that effect and the rulings have not been overturned. The issue is being examined by the RT currently. [ quoted text not captured ]

> strike: combat ends is different to rotchrek ending combat. s:ce must be played, and > then it must move on to strike resolution. when a s:ce is resolved, it doesn't just > "end combat", it moves combat to the "end of round" phase. where such things as > amaranth, etc may be played. but you can't press for a second round because presses > may only be applied in the press step, which is after esolution, but before end of > round, and thus is skipped over. > > O:) > > salem.... Hmm, nice try but this explanation has a few logical holes.... Rotschreck Master Master: out-of-turn Play when a minion attempts to use aggravated damaged against a vampire, whether successfully or not. Combat ends before damage is resolved. That vampire is put in torpor, tapped, with this card on it. During the vampire's next untap phase, burn this card instead of untapping the vampire. Note the phrase "combat ends before damage is resolved." This is exactly how SCE ends is resolved. I see no reason why the text on Rotschreck is any different than SCE. Now consider the most recent edition of the VTES rules: 6.4.5. Combat Ends. This effect ends combat immediately. This type of strike is always the first to resolve, even before a strike done with First Strike, and ends combat before other strikes can be resolved or any damage dealt. Combat Ends is effective at any range. Combat Ends is not affected by a Dodge, since Dodge only cancels effects that are directed at the dodging minion. Now nowhere does it say combat moves to the "end of the combat" phase. As far as the rules are concerned there is no difference between a card that says "combat ends before damage is resolved" (Rotschreck) and a S:CE card. Except of course that the RT has decided that you CAN decapitate or amaranth after a S:CE, but not after Rotschreck. Since the ruling prohibiting the playing of Amaranth or Decap after Rotschreck came first, I find the ruling on Dawn op FoM to be unusual, perhaps even contrary to precedence. Personally I think SCE should end the combat without the possibility of Decap or Amaranth. I will await the review of the RT on this particular question. Thanks for the attempt though :).