Charming Lobby

Charming Lobby The "next vote you call this turn" is chosen/announced when the action is declared, and is played/called (by the acting minion) by the resolution of this action. This action is a political action. (The "next vote thereafter" is still called as a separate action, though.) If the Charming Lobby action is blocked, the Political Action Card (if any) that would have been played for the initial referendum is not played or discarded. [RTR 19980623 RTR 19991001] [1] [2] This seems to say to me that you have to put down and reveal BOTH pactions that you wish to call along with the Clobby. It was my impression that you played the Clobby and the first paction, then the next paction called normally (by ANYBODY) passes automatically. The wording above of 'next vote you call this turn' doesnt match what the elderlibrary shows as card text either. T

[ quoted text not captured ] The online card text and therefore, I assume, the elderlibrary use text that has been modified to match the above ruling. At any rate, the official ruling you quote is still official, if that was your question. See the RTRs cited in that ruling for more information/further clarification (which should go without saying, but...) . -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:34:47 -0500, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >Talo...@hotmail.com <Talo...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Charming Lobby >> The "next vote you call this turn" is chosen/announced when the action >> is declared, and is played/called (by the acting minion) by the >> resolution of this action. This action is a political action. (The >> "next vote thereafter" is still called as a separate action, though.) >> If the Charming Lobby action is blocked, the Political Action Card (if >> any) that would have been played for the initial referendum is not >> played or discarded. [RTR 19980623 RTR 19991001] [1] [2] >> >> This seems to say to me that you have to put down and reveal BOTH >> pactions that you wish to call along with the Clobby. >> >> It was my impression that you played the Clobby and the first paction, >> then the next paction called normally (by ANYBODY) passes >> automatically. >> >> The wording above of 'next vote you call this turn' doesnt match what >> the elderlibrary shows as card text either. > >The online card text and therefore, I assume, the elderlibrary use >text that has been modified to match the above ruling. > >At any rate, the official ruling you quote is still official, if that >was your question. > >See the RTRs cited in that ruling for more information/further >clarification (which should go without saying, but...) . > Well oddly the first RTR matches what I was saying, that you play and announce the first PA when charming lobby is played, but not the 'next vote called' after that. The above ruling is different from that, and seems to imply that you must play BOTH votes during the lobby, even though the second minion could not as yet tap to call the second vote. Just wondering which interpretation is accurate? T

<Talo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3bfd0611.499534859@news... [ quoted text not captured ] Maybe you should edit the database for ELDB and add "If this action is successful," to the sentence for the inferior 'pre', so that it makes more sense to you (and is consistent with the ruling). IMHO, this would be an excellent candidate for reprinting next year. ;) > > T Kevin M., Prince of Madison, WI (USA) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

In message <KZXK7.166223$My2.98...@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>, Kevin M. <kjme...@PLEASENOSPAMMEhome.com> writes: >> The wording above of 'next vote you call this turn' doesnt match what >> the elderlibrary shows as card text either. > >Maybe you should edit the database for ELDB and add "If this action is >successful," to the sentence for the inferior 'pre', so that it makes more sense >to you (and is consistent with the ruling). The current card text: [pre] Call a referendum listed on a political action card in your hand (play that card) or allowed by an effect in play. If the referendum passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire} thereafter passes automatically. [PRE] As above, and <this vampire gains> 2 votes for the first <referendum>. -- James Coupe Everybody knows that "No" means "Yes" PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Just like glasses come free on the NHS EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 But the more I look through them the more I see 13D7E668C3695D623D5D I'm becoming more like Alfie

On Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:41:38 +0000, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >In message <KZXK7.166223$My2.98...@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>, Kevin M. ><kjme...@PLEASENOSPAMMEhome.com> writes: >>> The wording above of 'next vote you call this turn' doesnt match what >>> the elderlibrary shows as card text either. >> >>Maybe you should edit the database for ELDB and add "If this action is >>successful," to the sentence for the inferior 'pre', so that it makes more sense >>to you (and is consistent with the ruling). > >The current card text: > >[pre] Call a referendum listed on a political action card in your hand >(play that card) or allowed by an effect in play. If the referendum >passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire} thereafter >passes automatically. >[PRE] As above, and <this vampire gains> 2 votes for the first ><referendum>. > > Which doesnt match the text given in the ruling. The 'next vote you call this turn' shows up in the ruling and not in the cardtext, thus the problem. T