Suhailah's stealth and Shuffling one's inactive - Qs for LSJ

Two questions about likely upcoming problems for the overheated brain of legbiter. Suhailah bleeds my predator, who has a prince. So she gets +1 stealth. My predator deflects it on to me. Does she still have +1 stealth? My feeling is no, if i don't have a prince/justicar - because she is now NOT bleeding her predator [ie the first action was cancelled], and bleeding me instead. Am i right? I'm playing the betrayer deck and i already have one of my prey's vamps recruited, but no Betrayers on it. I recruit another, and show it to everyone else as required by the card text. Now i shuffle my inactive region and redeal the cards, face down - look at them privately, and then play 1-2 Betrayers on one of them. Now my prey does not know for sure who is paying clandestine visits to the Legbiter Sauna and Massage parlour [15GBP for 30 minutes] - 50% chance to get it right, basically. I'm pretty sure i am allowed to do this, but please confirm or refute, Scott, to avoid unpleasantness when the situation actually arises. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

legb...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Now i shuffle my inactive region and > redeal the cards, face down - look at them privately, and then play 1-2 > Betrayers on one of them. James, read the Betrayer text. You don't play the Betrayer on your vampires in your inactive region. You just put them into play like any other master card. People usually put them on the vampire just to keep track...but this is by no means a requirement. In jol, you're at a disadvantage because people can look at the server log to see which vampire was the one you brought out of your crypt....not to mention that Recruitment tells them which vampire you brought out anyway. There is only one card that I know of that could target a specific vampire in a player's incative region...Memory's Fading Glimpse. I doubt you'll be getting too much trouble from that card. Noal -- "The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering!" -Ashleigh Brilliant [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 11:57:25 GMT legb...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > Two questions about likely upcoming problems for the overheated brain of > legbiter. > > Suhailah bleeds my predator, who has a prince. So she gets +1 stealth. My > predator deflects it on to me. Does she still have +1 stealth? My feeling is > no, if i don't have a prince/justicar - because she is now NOT bleeding her > predator [ie the first action was cancelled], and bleeding me instead. Am i > right? Suhailah gets +1 stealth on *all* of her actions if her prey controls a ready Prince or Justicar. Not just bleeds directed at her prey. And not just bleeds in general, either. All actions. Hunting, Equipping, and even bleeding her grand-prey. > I'm playing the betrayer deck and i already have one of my prey's vamps > recruited, but no Betrayers on it. I recruit another, and show it to everyone > else as required by the card text. Now i shuffle my inactive region and > redeal the cards, face down - look at them privately, and then play 1-2 > Betrayers on one of them. Now my prey does not know for sure who is paying > clandestine visits to the Legbiter Sauna and Massage parlour [15GBP for 30 > minutes] - 50% chance to get it right, basically. I'm pretty sure i am > allowed to do this, but please confirm or refute, Scott, to avoid > unpleasantness when the situation actually arises. Betrayer is not played on the uncontrolled vampire. It is just put into play. But, even with the house rule that it is played on the uncontrolled vampire, you are not oblidged to keep the cards in your uncontrolled region in any particular order (any more than you are oblidged to keep the cards in your hand in any particular order). -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).

Two questions about likely upcoming problems for the overheated brain of legbiter. Suhailah bleeds my predator, who has a prince. So she gets +1 stealth. My predator deflects it on to me. Does she still have +1 stealth? My feeling is no, if i don't have a prince/justicar - because she is now NOT bleeding her predator [ie the first action was cancelled], and bleeding me instead. Am i right? I'm playing the betrayer deck and i already have one of my prey's vamps recruited, but no Betrayers on it. I recruit another, and show it to everyone else as required by the card text. Now i shuffle my inactive region and redeal the cards, face down - look at them privately, and then play 1-2 Betrayers on one of them. Now my prey does not know for sure who is paying clandestine visits to the Legbiter Sauna and Massage parlour [15GBP for 30 minutes] - 50% chance to get it right, basically. I'm pretty sure i am allowed to do this, but please confirm or refute, Scott, to avoid unpleasantness when the situation actually arises. -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

"vtesrep" <vte...@wizards.com> wrote: > Suhailah gets +1 stealth on *all* of her actions if her prey controls a > ready Prince or Justicar. *nods* She was one of the vampires I looked at when I was designing the "Uriah Winter, the Trojan Horse" deck. Making Uriah a Prince, while amusing, wouldn't be easy...so I dropped her from consideration. The idea started from trying to make the Jackal useful. Noal -- "The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering!" -Ashleigh Brilliant -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <7f7aqj$lev$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dhar...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > legb...@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Now i shuffle my inactive region and > > redeal the cards, face down - look at them privately, and then play 1-2 > > Betrayers on one of them. > > James, read the Betrayer text. You don't play the Betrayer on your vampires > in your inactive region. You just put them into play like any other master > card. People usually put them on the vampire just to keep track...but this is > by no means a requirement. Hmmm, you're right. OK, this creates a problem in that it makes the Betrayer deck RIDICULOUSLY powerful, for the following reason. If i have TWO vamps that my prey controls, inactive [suhailah and monique, for the sake of argument], and i put Betrayer into play, s/he really is stuffed, isn't s/he? Because when s/he guesses that it is Suhailah, i say hah-hah, no cookie for you - it is, in fact, Monique: and if s/he guesses Monique, then it's oops, sorry, no it is actually Suhailah. Of course, the SECOND time s/he guesses, s/he will guess right, but that's still a master phase bleed of AT LEAST 3 for EACH Betrayer, contingent on an initial outlay of 4 pool for the 2 recruitments. > > In jol, you're at a disadvantage because people can look at the server log to > see which vampire was the one you brought out of your crypt....not to mention > that Recruitment tells them which vampire you brought out anyway. There is > only one card that I know of that could target a specific vampire in a > player's incative region...Memory's Fading Glimpse. I doubt you'll be > getting too much trouble from that card. > > Noal > -- > "The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering!" > -Ashleigh Brilliant > Now i feel all dirty. Maybe i'll just oust myself from jol105 and try to rejig the deck so that people have some, faint chance against it. Nah, on second thoughts i LIKE being dirty. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Hmmm, you're right. OK, this creates a problem in that it makes the Betrayer > deck RIDICULOUSLY powerful, for the following reason. If i have TWO vamps > that my prey controls, inactive [suhailah and monique, for the sake of > argument], and i put Betrayer into play, s/he really is stuffed, isn't s/he? *shrug* I suppose. > Because when s/he guesses that it is Suhailah, i say hah-hah, no cookie for > you - it is, in fact, Monique: and if s/he guesses Monique, then it's oops, > sorry, no it is actually Suhailah. This is why putting the Betrayer with the uncontrolled vampire is a courtesy and a good idea. Since each Betrayer is played on a _specific_ vampire, it helps keep straight which is which. A better way might be to put a piece of paper with the name of the vampire under each Betrayer card. In JOL, the number of the corresponding vampire next to the card may be a useful way to keep things straight...or at least number them. > Now i feel all dirty. Maybe i'll just oust myself from jol105 and try to rejig > the deck so that people have some, faint chance against it. Nah, on second > thoughts i LIKE being dirty. Heh. I thought about doing a Uriah Winter Betrayer deck. Send him off to your prey and then play a slew of Betrayers. When he passes on, contest him (with Thanks for the Donation to minimize pool loss) until he's yielded and do it over again. Uriah's "weakness" can be very useful if you use it right. Noal -- "The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering!" -Ashleigh Brilliant -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

> Betrayer is not played on the uncontrolled vampire. It is just put into > play. > But, even with the house rule that it is played on the uncontrolled > vampire, you are not oblidged to keep the cards in your uncontrolled > region in any particular order (any more than you are oblidged to keep > the cards in your hand in any particular order). Does this mean that each Betrayer must be dealt with by the targeted player individually? For example, let's say I have three Betrayers in play, all "pointing to" Uriah Winter in my uncontrolled region, and my prey controls Uriah Winter. Presumably, my prey pays 1 pool for each Betrayer in play. My prey may then pay 1 pool to take a guess per Betrayer (3 pool total for 3 Betrayers), right? One question immediately springs to mind. If all of the Betrayers are pointing to the same vampire, does a single correct guess burn them all? Or, must my prey pay 1 pool per guess, necessitating 3 guess attempts (one for each of the three Betrayers in play)? David -- David M. Dávila Creator of the Elder Library Deck Builder© http://intj.home.mindspring.com/eldb/eldb.html [ quoted text not captured ]

David M. Dávila <david...@my-dejanews.com> wrote: > Does this mean that each Betrayer must be dealt with by the targeted player > individually? For example, let's say I have three Betrayers in play, all > "pointing to" Uriah Winter in my uncontrolled region, and my prey controls > Uriah Winter. Presumably, my prey pays 1 pool for each Betrayer in play. My > prey may then pay 1 pool to take a guess per Betrayer (3 pool total for 3 > Betrayers), right? Right. > One question immediately springs to mind. If all of the Betrayers are > pointing to the same vampire, does a single correct guess burn them all? Or, > must my prey pay 1 pool per guess, necessitating 3 guess attempts (one for > each of the three Betrayers in play)? The latter. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <7f7aqj$lev$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dhar...@my-dejanews.com writes >I know of that could target a specific vampire in a >player's incative region...Memory's Fading Glimpse. I doubt you'll be >getting too much trouble from that card. Actually, not too bad a card. Matt Green's "Old Man on the Hill" deck (Alamut) used it to good effect to stop Lunar's big Nosferatu voting deck (which Matt really didn't want to have to deal with on account of it fucking over his Alamut something chronic). -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.obeah.demon.co.uk