Derange vs Infernalism

Let's say I control an Infernal Baali with a Derange played at superior. UNTAP PHASE: 1st.- Giotto Verducci untaps by burning 1 blood (because of the Derange). 2nd.- Giotto Verducci taps, since I do want to burn 1 pool to untap him again. 3rd.- Giotto Verducci untaps again via the Derange's ability. Is this legal?. Should I burn another pool not to tap Giotto Verducci once more? Greetings, Damnans

Damnans wrote: > > Let's say I control an Infernal Baali with a Derange played at superior. > > UNTAP PHASE: > > 1st.- Giotto Verducci untaps by burning 1 blood (because of the > Derange). > 2nd.- Giotto Verducci taps, since I do want to burn 1 pool to untap him > again. > 3rd.- Giotto Verducci untaps again via the Derange's ability. > > Is this legal?. Yes. The better way to do it would be: 1. Giotto doesn't untap as normal for being deranged. 2. Giotto taps for being infernal. (no effect, since he's already tapped). 3. Giotto pays 1 blood to untap via Derange. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3C6E36F6...@white-wolf.com>... > Damnans wrote: > > > > Let's say I control an Infernal Baali with a Derange played at superior. > ><snip> > > > > Is this legal?. > > Yes. The better way to do it would be: > <snip> So just to confirm then, you could put Kindred Society Games on all your Baali if you have 1 ready toreador, choose never to move them and always be paying 1 blood to untap rather than 1 pool correct? Kindred Society Games Master. Put this card on a ready vampire. -This vampire doesn't untap as normal-. During -his or her controller's- untap phase, that vampire either puts Society Games on a younger tapped vampire or burns 1 blood to untap. -If the vampire choses to move the Society Games but- there is no tapped younger vampire, Society Games is burned.

Peter Muto skrev i meddelandet ... [ quoted text not captured ] That's right! Although this may seem quite good, you could of course skip the toreadorproblem and just put a blooddoll on them instead; this will also increase versatility! /Henrik Isaksson

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3C6E36F6...@white-wolf.com... > Damnans wrote: > > > > Let's say I control an Infernal Baali with a Derange played at superior. > > > > UNTAP PHASE: > > > > 1st.- Giotto Verducci untaps by burning 1 blood (because of the > > Derange). > > 2nd.- Giotto Verducci taps, since I do want to burn 1 pool to untap him > > again. > > 3rd.- Giotto Verducci untaps again via the Derange's ability. > > > > Is this legal?. > > Yes. The better way to do it would be: > Mmh, doesn't the "During phase X, do Y" limits Y to once per phase X. [LSJ 19970625] template limits that deranged (at superior) infernal to untap just one time during the untap pahse, via the derange? So, the example above should not be legal, if the effects are handled in that sequence. Just my thought Emiliano, vekn Prince of Rome [ quoted text not captured ]

tetragrammaton wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:3C6E36F6...@white-wolf.com... > > Damnans wrote: > > > > > > Let's say I control an Infernal Baali with a Derange played at superior. > > > > > > UNTAP PHASE: > > > > > > 1st.- Giotto Verducci untaps by burning 1 blood (because of the > > > Derange). > > > 2nd.- Giotto Verducci taps, since I do want to burn 1 pool to untap him > > > again. > > > 3rd.- Giotto Verducci untaps again via the Derange's ability. > > > > > > Is this legal?. > > > > Yes. The better way to do it would be: > > > > Mmh, doesn't the > "During phase X, do Y" limits Y to once per phase X. [LSJ 19970625] > > template limits that deranged (at superior) infernal to untap just one time > during the untap pahse, via the derange? > So, the example above should not be legal, if the effects are handled > in that sequence. Right. So actually the better way to do it is the only way to do it. Thanks. > > 1. Giotto doesn't untap as normal for being deranged. > > 2. Giotto taps for being infernal. (no effect, since he's already tapped). > > 3. Giotto pays 1 blood to untap via Derange. -- [ quoted text not captured ]