lsj: question about NRA

Hello, i need a clarification about the NRA regarding these parts of the rulebook: 6.1.6. Action Card (or Card in Play) <snip> ...A minion cannot perform an action with the same action card or via the same card in play (including from the minion's own card text) more than once each turn, even if he untaps. 6.5.3. Rescue a Vampire from Torpor <snip> ....This action costs 2 blood, which can be paid by the acting vampire or the rescued vampire, or the cost may be split between them. now the question is: it seems me that both the "Rescue a Vampire" and "Diablerize Vampire" from torpor actions comes from a "card in play" (the torporous vampire itself), so, if a vampire attempts to rescue or to diablerize another torporous vamp and fails, by untapping can he/she attempt again the action ? My guess is no, but i would like an official confirmation here. thanks in advance Emiliano, v:ekn Prince of Rome

"Tetragrammaton" <no...@usa.com> wrote in message news:c37o4i$25033v$1...@ID-158753.news.uni-berlin.de... > Hello, i need a clarification about the NRA regarding these parts of the > rulebook: > now the question is: > it seems me that both the "Rescue a Vampire" and "Diablerize Vampire" > from torpor actions comes from a "card in play" (the torporous vampire > itself), so, if a > vampire attempts to rescue or to diablerize another torporous vamp and > fails, by untapping > can he/she attempt again the action ? > My guess is no, but i would like an official confirmation here. IANLJS but I believe that I have seen: That like hunting, rescuing a vampire or diablerizing a vampire is not provided by a card in play. Its considered a special deafault action (special in that it can only be done when a vampire exists in torpor). Bleed is the only restricted default action. Diablerie can be attempted multiple times by the same vampire as can rescuing. This is the basis of several yo-yo decks. (Fame.. Torpor... untap... rescue...torpor) -JTP

John P. wrote: > That like hunting, rescuing a vampire or diablerizing a vampire > is not provided by a card in play. Its considered a special deafault > action (special in that it can only be done when a vampire exists > in torpor). Bleed is the only restricted default action. Correct. Google: "torpor card in play twice author:LSJ" http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3F9688DB.6040602%40white-wolf.com -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/