rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Critical Questions...

3 messages from 3 participants · 23 April 1999
original thread on Google Groups

Luis P. Duarte

Hi all! Why can't i Bleed my Predator for 1 pool for example, and i can call a Parity Shift to transfer 5 pool from him? (I want to know what is the logic behind it.) Is it "political" correct to call a KRC to burn Methuselah's pool that are NOT my predator or prey (ie, cross-table)? Thanks. .- Luis....@ip.pt

LSJ

Luis P. Duarte wrote: > > Hi all! ** A general request: when posting messages to the newsgroup, please do not CC: me on the message - I do read the newsgroup fairly regularly. If you must CC: me, please note that fact at the beginning of the post. It would help cut down on the clutter that is my mailbox. Thanks. *** > Why can't i Bleed my Predator for 1 pool for example, and i can > call a Parity Shift to transfer 5 pool from him? > (I want to know what is the logic behind it.) (Unsure of exactly what angle you're taking here, so multiple answers follow.) You can bleed your predator for 1 pool. Use Night Moves or Cat Burglary, for example. Just like Parity Shift has card text allowing you to choose a Methuselah who is not your prey to lose pool, a bleed action card can that includes the appropriate text can allow you to bleed a Methuselah who is not your prey. A "bleed" is an action that is directed at your prey by default (see the description of "bleed" in the rulebook). Explicit card text is needed to change that default. As a tangent: All bleeds are directed, so mentioning that a bleed is directed (by including a "(D)" symbol in card text, for instance) isn't sufficient. One reason why you can only bleed your prey by default is to limit the "king-maker" effect - of giving someone (typically someone who finds herself in a losing position) to easily choose which of the other players will win (by bleeding that chosen player's prey). By requiring a card to affect a non-prey Methuselah (w/ Parity Shift or Night Moves, for instance), the "king-maker" effect is reduced. > Is it "political" correct to call a KRC to burn Methuselah's pool that > are NOT my predator or prey (ie, cross-table)? That is acceptable, sure. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

Richard Zopf

Luis P. Duarte wrote in message <37206...@news.ip.pt>... >Hi all! > >Why can't i Bleed my Predator for 1 pool for example, and i can >call a Parity Shift to transfer 5 pool from him? >(I want to know what is the logic behind it.) > If the basic bleed action could be pointed at anyone, the predator/prey relationship would become meaningless, and most games would likely devolve into kingmaker type situations (ever play Diplomacy?). The reason why you can't see the logic is also because you're comparing a simple bleed with a vote. Voting successfully involves a LOT more than an action with a card, as I'm sure you know (unblocked vote action, near or complete vote control, or bribing of other voters at the table, etc.). The setup for successfully calling a 5 pool loss to your predator with PS is equal to the effect it generates. >Is it "political" correct to call a KRC to burn Methuselah's pool that >are NOT my predator or prey (ie, cross-table)? > There are no "correct" ways to call votes in Jyhad. There is only the circumstance of the particular game you are in. You have to compare what the vote will get you against what you have to sacrifice (and who you might have to bribe to get the vote passed). Regards, R David Zopf Atom Weaver