rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Another simple rules question...

5 messages from 5 participants · 16 December 2004 – 17 December 2004
original thread on Google Groups

Piers

Sorry guys I just want to make sure I have everything correct.. The rule book states the following. When a Methuselah runs out of pool counters, she is ousted from the game. If you are ousted, all the cards you control are burned. Any of your opponents' cards you control are placed in their respective owners' ash heaps. Any of your cards controlled by other Methuselahs remain in play as normal. Its the last bit that is causing the confusion - If I were to play Fame on an other Methuselahs minion and I am later ousted, does the Fame stay in play ? Or is it only cards that the other Methuselahs has taken control of by diablerie or something like corruption. Thanks Piers

sinaath

[ quoted text not captured ] AFAIR methuselah controll all cards (s)he played, unless they change its owner during play via action -> disputed territory,far mastery,etc or itself -> coven, anarch troublemaker, etc so fame burns with a meth who played it sinaath

dal...@iinet.net.au

The fame is removed from the game when you are... as the person who played the fame controls the card... not the meth whose minion it was played on. Cards that remain in play are cards that another meth controls. Andrew

LSJ

"Piers" <Piers-AT-blacklightcafe.co.uk> wrote in message news:41c177c4$0$4040$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com... > When a Methuselah runs out of pool counters, she is ousted from the game. If > you are ousted, all the cards you control are burned. > Any of your opponents' cards you control are placed in their respective > owners' ash heaps. > Any of your cards controlled by other Methuselahs remain in play as normal. > > Its the last bit that is causing the confusion - If I were to play Fame on > an other Methuselahs minion and I am later ousted, does the Fame stay in > play ? Or is it only cards that the other Methuselahs has taken control of > by diablerie or something like corruption. Master cards, like Fame, are controlled by the Methuselah who played them by default. You'd have to have had a change of control effect (like the stealing of The Rack) or explicit card text that overrides the default control (like on Regarhagan's Hold) for control of a master card to rest with someone other than the Methuselah who played it. It could also be that the owner is not the Methuselah who played the master card (due to, for example, Agaitas's ability). The more common example, however, is minion cards, like equipment, Pulled Fangs, etc. Minion cards are controlled by the controller of the minion they are on. So when you are ousted, any Pulled Fangs, Disarm, etc. that your minions had played on other minions remain in play. Default control is covered in 1.6.2 for master cards and 1.6.3 for minion cards. http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec1_6_2 -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

The Lasombra

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 11:55:54 -0000, "Piers" <Piers-AT-blacklightcafe.co.uk> wrote: >Its the last bit that is causing the confusion - If I were to play Fame on >an other Methuselahs minion and I am later ousted, does the Fame stay in >play ? Or is it only cards that the other Methuselahs has taken control of >by diablerie or something like corruption. Piers, You will want to read the FAQ. It is posted on this newsgroup every month, and it explicitly answers this question. http://www.thelasombra.com/vtes_faq.htm 3.25 What cards do I control, ie which cards leave play when I am ousted? You control your minions, ie your vampires and allies. All cards on your vampires and allies leave play when you do. Any master cards that you played on another player will leave play unless they have specific card text specifying that control of that card has changed. Any minion cards that you played on another player's minions will stay in play. Minion cards on minions are controlled by the controller of the minion. Cards that have changed controllers, via Succubus Club, Graverobbing, or any other card that specifies the controller of the card changing will stay in play until their controller is ousted. Example 1: If you play a discipline card (or Fame or Haven Uncovered) on another player's vampire, it will leave the game when you do. Example 2: If you play a Lunatic Eruption on another player's vampire, it will stay in the game until a successful action is taken to remove it. Example 3: If you Graverob a vampire that was brought into play by your prey, it will not leave the game when you oust your prey, it will stay in the game until it is burned in combat, diablerized, or you are ousted. Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com