[Q] Anneke

hello, I have a few questions about Anneke. I know many questions have been asked about Anneke and Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye before, but since I'm a bit lost in all those answers I find on google groups, I'll ask here and hope to get a definitive answer. 1. is Anneke's ability EXACTLY the same as having a permanent Eagle's Sight? let's say Meth A does a directed action against Meth B. Meth C has Anneke and is not the target of the action, so cannot normally block (without explicit card text). A wants to make sure his action won't be blocked by C. C wants to block A's action, but wants to be able to do so at the last minute. who wins here? is there a way A can make SURE Anneke can no longer block the action AT ALL (to play a juicy Action Modifier maybe)? or will Anneke always win against A and always have the opportunity of blocking? (let's assume here Anneke has superior Spiritus and can play both Eagle's Sight and Falcon's Eye at superior - maybe it will affect the answer, maybe not, I'm not sure.) 2. can Anneke block an action after you've declined to do so? My predator bleeds me for 1. I decline to block. he increses the bleed. Can I then decide to block with Anneke? (it's impossible to do with Eagle's Sight as per a ruling listed on the WW page. but no words on that page about Anneke.)

"charles lechasseur" <da...@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<Zwk4a.26883$48.3...@wagner.videotron.net>... > hello, I have a few questions about Anneke. I know many questions have been > asked about Anneke and Eagle's Sight/Falcon's Eye before, but since I'm a > bit lost in all those answers I find on google groups, I'll ask here and > hope to get a definitive answer. > > 1. is Anneke's ability EXACTLY the same as having a permanent Eagle's Sight? > > let's say Meth A does a directed action against Meth B. Meth C has Anneke > and is not the target of the action, so cannot normally block (without > explicit card text). > > A wants to make sure his action won't be blocked by C. C wants to block A's > action, but wants to be able to do so at the last minute. > > who wins here? is there a way A can make SURE Anneke can no longer block the > action AT ALL (to play a juicy Action Modifier maybe)? or will Anneke always > win against A and always have the opportunity of blocking? (let's assume > here Anneke has superior Spiritus and can play both Eagle's Sight and > Falcon's Eye at superior - maybe it will affect the answer, maybe not, I'm > not sure.) Annekes ability is not exactly the same as Eagles Sight, it is in fact better. Eagles Sight is a reaction card and so you need to be untapped (or at least able to play it i.e. Whilst WWEF targets) to play it, Annekes ability is 'always on'. This is an important point, as Anneke can play 2nd Tradition to untap and attempt to block a cross table action, no other Prince can (cannot play the 2nd as it's not legal, cannot play the Eagles Sight while tapped - would have to Wake, Eagles Sight, Second Tradition to get round this). In your example, Meth C has the option of blocking with Anneke right up until the point the action has resolved - yes, even after that conditioning has been played... The only way to be sure she can't block is to Seduce her, play Call the Hungry Dead, Elder Impersonation or any other 'block fails' cards. Yes. Anneke is THAT good. > > 2. can Anneke block an action after you've declined to do so? > > My predator bleeds me for 1. I decline to block. he increses the bleed. > > Can I then decide to block with Anneke? > > (it's impossible to do with Eagle's Sight as per a ruling listed on the WW > page. but no words on that page about Anneke.) This I'm not sure about, though it does say 'may attempt to block after others have declined or failed', so my gut says yeah, you could. What for LSJ on this one though. Marty Happy hunting.

Marty wrote: > "charles lechasseur" <da...@videotron.ca> wrote: >>1. is Anneke's ability EXACTLY the same as having a permanent Eagle's Sight? No. Anneke allows you to block out of your normal order (after everyone else). Eagle's Sight only allows you to block when the normal restrictions on "who can block" would not. And, as Marty notes below, Anneke's power is always on - she doesn't have to wake to use it. >>let's say Meth A does a directed action against Meth B. Meth C has Anneke >>and is not the target of the action, so cannot normally block (without >>explicit card text). >> >>A wants to make sure his action won't be blocked by C. C wants to block A's >>action, but wants to be able to do so at the last minute. >> >>who wins here? is there a way A can make SURE Anneke can no longer block the >>action AT ALL (to play a juicy Action Modifier maybe)? or will Anneke always Yes. A: (to B, who gets first op): "Do you block?" B: No. A: (to each other Methuselah clockwise around the table, skipping B): "Do you block?" X: No. (indicating no Eagle's Sight or similar use). A: (to C, who was already asked once above): "Does Anneke block?" C: No. At this point, all blocks have been declined. A is free to play the Juicy Action Modifier(tm). >>win against A and always have the opportunity of blocking? (let's assume >>here Anneke has superior Spiritus and can play both Eagle's Sight and >>Falcon's Eye at superior - maybe it will affect the answer, maybe not, I'm >>not sure.) > > Annekes ability is not exactly the same as Eagles Sight, it is in fact > better. Eagles Sight is a reaction card and so you need to be > untapped (or at least able to play it i.e. Whilst WWEF targets) to > play it, Annekes ability is 'always on'. This is an important point, > as Anneke can play 2nd Tradition to untap and attempt to block a cross > table action, no other Prince can (cannot play the 2nd as it's not > legal, cannot play the Eagles Sight while tapped - would have to Wake, > Eagles Sight, Second Tradition to get round this). Correct. > In your example, Meth C has the option of blocking with Anneke right > up until the point the action has resolved - yes, even after that > conditioning has been played... The only way to be sure she can't > block is to Seduce her, play Call the Hungry Dead, Elder Impersonation > or any other 'block fails' cards. Yes. Anneke is THAT good. No. Her block opportunity can be "drawn out" after the end of the usual order. Once it passes, it is passed. >>2. can Anneke block an action after you've declined to do so? >> >>My predator bleeds me for 1. I decline to block. he increses the bleed. >>Can I then decide to block with Anneke? >> >>(it's impossible to do with Eagle's Sight as per a ruling listed on the WW >>page. but no words on that page about Anneke.) > > This I'm not sure about, though it does say 'may attempt to block > after others have declined or failed', so my gut says yeah, you could. > What for LSJ on this one though. Your predator: "V bleeds you for 1. Do you block?" You: "No." Your predator: "V plays Conditioning." You: "Anneke blocks." is OK. But your predator can play smart, and examine the options: Your predator: "V bleeds you for 1. Do you block?" You: "No." Your predator: "Any Eagle's Sight or similar (clockwise around)?" (clockwise around): "No." Your predator: "Does Anneke block?" You: "No." Your predator: "V plays Conditioning." -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E523072...@white-wolf.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Could you delay your block with Anneke, saying something like 'I'm waiting to see if you pump the bleed', or does this count as a 'declined to block'. Anneke does so 'after others have declined or failed', so it does seem to indicate that, unless specifically asked whether she's attempting to block, sohe can block anything at anytime (cards permitting of course - she really would be good if she could block Daring the Dawn). Marty

Marty wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E523072...@white-wolf.com>... >>Her block opportunity can be "drawn out" after the end of the usual >>order. Once it passes, it is passed. > > Could you delay your block with Anneke, saying something like 'I'm > waiting to see if you pump the bleed', or does this count as a No. > 'declined to block'. Anneke does so 'after others have declined or It wouldn't count as declining, no. You'd have to decline. The acting Methuselah is free to call for that event (block or decline) before moving on, though. > failed', so it does seem to indicate that, unless specifically asked > whether she's attempting to block, sohe can block anything at anytime > (cards permitting of course - she really would be good if she could > block Daring the Dawn). Right. As I said above. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > > Marty wrote: > > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3E523072...@white-wolf.com>... > >>Her block opportunity can be "drawn out" after the end of the usual > >>order. Once it passes, it is passed. > > > > Could you delay your block with Anneke, saying something like 'I'm > > waiting to see if you pump the bleed', or does this count as a > > No. > > > 'declined to block'. Anneke does so 'after others have declined or > > It wouldn't count as declining, no. You'd have to decline. > The acting Methuselah is free to call for that event (block or decline) > before moving on, though. > However, couldn't this cause an loop. Where would I, as a judge, have to call to move on past this if A) Does Anneke block? B) I am waiting to see if you pump the bleed. A) I am waiting to see if Anneke blocks. We have a loop where neither party has declined the opportunity to do something, but neither will until the other does. I would say that in order to get out of this, as A asked, and B has asked for a decision, then A would need to make that in much the same way as a deal (If I don't pump, will you not block, or other terms), but in respect to a delicate situation where no-one will deal (i.e. I don't want you to yet oust C) then the problem is real. How do we now stop this going to a time out (1 hr later), preferably without issuing warning to both players? Cheers Andy Andy "Slytherin" Brown VEKN Setite Ruler of Cambridge SET awakens, watch out all non-believers

In message <3E55EEB2...@sanger.ac.uk>, Andy Brown <a...@sanger.ac.uk> writes: <Anneke blocks> >However, couldn't this cause an loop. No. >Where would I, as a judge, have to >call to move on past this if > >A) Does Anneke block? >B) I am waiting to see if you pump the bleed. >A) I am waiting to see if Anneke blocks. Player B doesn't have that privilege. Player A can order the blocking effects as he chooses and, when they occur, the other player(s) have to attempt or decline *then*. In that respect, Anneke's block is just normal. You couldn't have players A and B loop round on a normal bleed/block situation. So you can't with Anneke. Once asked "Does Anneke block?", the player has to attempt or decline. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 Hi! I'm Nancy Drew! You must be the Hardy Boys! 13D7E668C3695D623D5D

James Coupe wrote: > > In message <3E55EEB2...@sanger.ac.uk>, Andy Brown > <a...@sanger.ac.uk> writes: > <Anneke blocks> > >However, couldn't this cause an loop. > > No. > > >Where would I, as a judge, have to > >call to move on past this if > > > >A) Does Anneke block? > >B) I am waiting to see if you pump the bleed. > >A) I am waiting to see if Anneke blocks. > > Player B doesn't have that privilege. > > Player A can order the blocking effects as he chooses and, when they > occur, the other player(s) have to attempt or decline *then*. > > In that respect, Anneke's block is just normal. You couldn't have > players A and B loop round on a normal bleed/block situation. So you > can't with Anneke. Once asked "Does Anneke block?", the player has to > attempt or decline. > Thanks James. Just wanted that clarification for future reference. [ quoted text not captured ]

Andy Brown <a...@sanger.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<3E55EEB2...@sanger.ac.uk>... [ quoted text not captured ] In a game I once played my predator had Anneke and the situation was somewhat similar. I bled my prey for one (and a bleed of 3 would have killed him). My prey let it through. Annekes controller asked if I was going to pump, I said yes and I did. It really stank. Baker(TM) ' I promise not to continually post stuff for the sake of it'