Kindred segregation, Couriers and War Ghouls

Kindred Segregation [Jyhad, V:TES] Cardtype: Political Action Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. Successful <referendum> means that all allies are burned. Any Methuselah can keep an ally or allies he or she controls by repaying <their cost to recruit>. If someone calls a KS, must Tzimisce players who want to keep their War ghouls pay 3 pool and a retainer? i guess not, because the retainer isn't really part of the cost - s/he gets burnt when the War Ghoul enters play. How about Couriers? Must somebody burn 2 blood to keep one of the little bike-riding fellows? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. > Successful <referendum> means that all allies are burned. > Any Methuselah can keep an ally or allies he or she controls by > repaying <their cost to recruit>. > > If someone calls a KS, must Tzimisce players who want to keep their War > ghouls pay 3 pool and a retainer? i guess not, because the retainer isn't > really part of the cost - s/he gets burnt when the War Ghoul enters play. Indeed. > How about Couriers? Must somebody burn 2 blood to keep one of the little > bike-riding fellows? Tricky one. Methuselahs don't play blood costs, which is what KS wants. There would be an argument for: 1) Not paying blood, and keep the ally 2) Not paying blood and, since you haven't, burn the ally 3) Paying blood from someone and keep the ally or 4) Don't pay blood from someone and burn the ally Eep. I lean towards either: 1) Since Methuselahs can't play blood costs, you keep the ally in this case or 3) Pay the blood from someone and keep the ally I would be disheartened were a ruling such as 2) to be given (which is supportable by card text, I think), since it dis-empowers the ally. And we want allies to be better. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "Steve: Yeah, well that's one of the advantages of being a sad, lonely fairy, I guess. You get to learn how to be a spy." - Stephen Fry, Making History

In article <Pine.SOL.4.21.0011131631160.24924- 100...@yellow.csi.cam.ac.uk>, [ quoted text not captured ] Yep. And say you have Regina Giovanni or the Little Tailor [suits you, sir!] of Prague in play. Now there is not "the" cost of the ally, but two alternative costs. Can you choose to pay the cheaper one? > > -- > James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D > "Steve: Yeah, well that's one of the advantages of being a sad, lonely > fairy, I guess. You get to learn how to be a spy." > - Stephen Fry, Making History > > [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > > Political Card-Worth 1 Vote. Called by any vampire at +1 stealth. > > Successful <referendum> means that all allies are burned. > > Any Methuselah can keep an ally or allies he or she controls by > > repaying <their cost to recruit>. > > > > If someone calls a KS, must Tzimisce players who want to keep their War > > ghouls pay 3 pool and a retainer? i guess not, because the retainer isn't > > really part of the cost - s/he gets burnt when the War Ghoul enters play. > Indeed. > > > How about Couriers? Must somebody burn 2 blood to keep one of the little > > bike-riding fellows? > > Tricky one. > > Methuselahs don't play blood costs, which is what KS wants. There would > be an argument for: > > 1) Not paying blood, and keep the ally Indeed. I'd say that, for both these case (and all others), Kindred Segregation only requires that the pool cost be paid in order to keep the ally. In the case of War Ghoul, that's 3 pool. In the case of Courier, that's 0 pool. I'll put this on the RT list for review. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > And say you have Regina Giovanni or the Little Tailor [suits you, sir!] > of Prague in play. Now there is not "the" cost of the ally, but two > alternative costs. Can you choose to pay the cheaper one? The cost is only "continuously reduced" while the card in question is on the vampire in question. So, for allies, the full cost to recruit is paid when Kindred Segregation passes in order to keep the ally. [ quoted text not captured ]