Trochomancy and order of ash heap

OK, I couldn't find any specific ruling about this, although my searches aren't always the best (for some unknown reason). Is there a requirement in the rules to put your ash heap in a specific order? When playing Trochomancy, do you get to choose which cards are removed from the target's ash heap or is it just the top cards? My understanding is that there is no specific order to the ash heap, and the person playing Trochomancy chooses which cards to remove. However I have heard a player state the opposite of both, hence my question. Trochomancy [LotN:C] Cardtype: Action Modifier Discipline: Auspex & Necromancy [nec] Remove 13 cards in the target Methuselah's ash heap from the game to get +1 bleed. Not usable if there aren't enough cards in that ash heap. You cannot play another action modifier to increase this bleed. [aus][nec] As [nec] above, but remove only 7 cards. [AUS][NEC] As [aus][nec] above, but for +2 bleed. Steve Harris Prince of Brisbane

SteveHarris wrote: > OK, I couldn't find any specific ruling about this, although my > searches aren't always the best (for some unknown reason). "ash heap order author:LSJ" got it for me. While the first hit worked in a fashion, a later hit provided a moe concrete statement: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/c5412bc46a3d4878 > Is there a requirement in the rules to put your ash heap in a specific > order? Quite the opposite: the ash heap is unordered, so it is impossible to put it in some order (from a game mechanics standpoint: obviously the cards rest one upon another in some physical arrangement). > When playing Trochomancy, do you get to choose which cards are removed > from the target's ash heap or is it just the top cards? You choose. The game recognizes no "top cards". > My understanding is that there is no specific order to the ash heap, > and the person playing Trochomancy chooses which cards to remove. You are correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

Thanks for the fast response!