ORIGINS 2009 Tournament Report and Winning Decks

Ok, here's what I have from Origins 2009: -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Origins 2009 Thursday 11am Constructed Columbus, Ohio, USA June 25, 2009 34 players Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs 1 Robyn Tatu 1 6 2 114 2 Jesse Cross-Nickerson 1 7 0.5 114 2 Jay Kristoff 2 5 0 120 2 John Eno 2 6 0.5 120 2 David Litwin 1 6 0 114 Robyn->David->Jay->Jesse->John NOTE: This final timed-out. 6 Kurt Kopp 1 5 108 7 Dave Setty 1 4 96 8 Jake Williams 1 4 84 9 Evan Lloyd 1 3 90 10 Dave Buerger 0 2.5 96 11 Bob Joseph 0 2 78 11 Chris Dorsey 0 2 78 13 Hugh Angseesing 0 2 66 14 Craig Hartman 0 1 72 14 Matt Guinn 0 1 72 14 David McCarty 0 1 72 14 Chris Stitzlein 0 1 72 18 Shyla Waldman 0 1 66 18 Brad Cashdollar 0 1 66 20 Jim Hardesty 0 1 60 20 Cameron Domer 0 1 60 22 James Rodriguez 0 1 54 23 David Tatu 0 0.5 60 23 Ethan Langley 0 0.5 60 23 Mark Loughman 0 0.5 60 26 Oscar Garza 0 0 54 27 John Pattie 0 0 48 27 Dave Lees 0 0 48 29 Greg Galyanov 0 0 42 29 Rob Miller, Jr. 0 0 42 29 Rodd Clossen 0 0 42 32 Karl Schaefer 0 0 36 32 Randy Charles 0 0 36 34 Ben Swainbank 0 0 12 (Robyn's deck already posted) -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Origins 2009 Thursday 5pm Constructed Columbus, Ohio, USA June 25, 2009 33 players Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs 1 Ben Swainbank 1 4 3 108 2 Brad Cashdollar 1 4.5 2 90 2 Will Kristoff 1 4 0 78 2 James Rodriguez 1 5 0 88 2 Mindy Bell 1 7 0 114 Brad->James->Mindy->Ben->Will NOTE: This final was over in 1hr,20min. 6 Mark Loughman 1 4 78 7 Hugh Angseesing 1 3.5 114 8 Matt Strehlow 1 3 102 9 James Messer 1 3 88 10 Karl Schaefer 1 2.5 84 11 Oscar Garza 0 3 96 12 Dave Litwin 0 2.5 90 13 Bob Joseph 0 2 84 14 Christian Herro 0 2 78 14 Jay Kristoff 0 2 78 14 John Bell 0 2 78 17 John Eno 0 1.5 84 18 Rodd Closson 0 1.5 78 19 Pete Oh 0 1 72 20 John Flournoy 0 1 66 21 David Tatu 0 1 60 22 Ethan Langley 0 0.5 60 23 Robyn Tatu 0 0 60 24 Jesse Cross-Nickerson 0 0 54 24 Randy Charles 0 0 54 26 John Pattie 0 0 48 26 Kurt Kopp 0 0 48 28 Jake Williams 0 0 46 29 Shyla Waldman 0 0 42 29 Cameron Domer 0 0 42 29 Greg Galyanov 0 0 42 32 Craig Hartman 0 0 36 32 Dave Setty 0 0 36 Ben Swainbank's Winning Deck ============================ Deck Name: Mad Fat Bastards Created By: Ben Swainbank Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 38, Avg: 6.91) ---------------------------------------------- 1 Ahmose Chambers obf ser 3 Settite 1 Sisocharis cel obf pre 4 Settite 1 Sahira Siraj obf ser tha 4 Settite 1 Renenet ser OBF PRE 5 Settite 1 Abdelsobek for nec obf pre ser 5 Settite 1 Clea Auguste d`Holford pre ser OBF POT 6 Settite 1 Shemti vic OBF POT PRE SER 9 Settite 1 Pentweret aus for obe OBF PRE SER 9 Settite 1 Porphyrion for CHI OBF PRE SER 9 Settite 1 Neferu dom nec OBF PRE SER THA 9 Settite 1 Nakhthorheb OBF PRE SER 10 Settite 1 Seterpenre AUS NEC OBF PRE SER 10 Settite Library: (60 cards) ------------------- Master (11 cards) 1 Barrens, The 2 Blood Doll 1 Crocodile Temple, The 3 Effective Management 1 Mob Connections 1 Specialization 1 Vampiric Disease 1 WMRH Talk Radio Action (12 cards) 1 Form of Corruption 11 Spell of Life Action Modifier (18 cards) 2 Cloak the Gathering 4 Elder Impersonation 6 Faceless Night 6 Lost in Crowds Combat (7 cards) 2 Weighted Walking Stick 5 Boxed In Ally (8 cards) 1 Amam the Devourer (Bane Mummy) 1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) 1 Gregory Winter 1 Nephren-Ka 1 Ossian 1 Procurer 1 Vagabond Mystic 1 Young Bloods Event (4 cards) 2 Veil of Darkness 1 FBI Special Affairs Division 1 Unmasking, The -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Origins 2009 Friday 1pm U.S. National Championship Columbus, Ohio, USA June 26, 2009 49 players Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs 1 Jesse Cross-Nickerson 3 8.5 2 180 2 Jay Kristoff 2 8 0 144 2 John Eno 3 9.5 1.5 180 2 Hugh Angseesing 2 7.5 0.5 174 2 Karl Schaefer 2 7 0 138 John->Jesse->Jay->Karl->Hugh NOTE: This final timed-out. 6 Jared Strait 2 6 150 7 David Barasch 1 6.5 156 8 Jake Williams 1 6 132 9 David Leader 1 5.5 138 10 Ben Kalb 1 5 132 11 Cameron Domer 1 5 126 12 Jeff Thompson 1 5 114 13 Ben Swainbank 1 5 112 14 Craig Hartman 1 4 114 15 Christian Herro 1 3.5 126 16 Jim Hardesty 1 3 108 17 Matt Morgan 1 3 102 17 David Conroy 1 3 102 19 Mark Loughman 1 2.5 102 20 John Pattie 0 4 144 21 Ethan Langley 0 3.5 126 22 Rodd Closson 0 3 138 23 Dave Setty 0 3 120 24 Mike Perlman 0 3 114 25 Greg Galyanov 0 2 108 25 John Bell 0 2 108 25 Shane Strait 0 2 108 28 Peter Bakija 0 2 102 29 Robyn Tatu 0 1.5 96 29 Brad Cashdollar 0 1.5 96 31 John Flournoy 0 1 96 32 Shyla Waldman 0 1 90 32 Dave Litwin 0 1 90 34 Matt Strehlow 0 1 84 34 Josh Whelan 0 1 84 34 Bob Joseph 0 1 84 37 Rob Dudock 0 0.5 94 38 Will Kristoff 0 0.5 90 39 Dave Lees 0 0.5 78 39 Kurt Kopp 0 0.5 78 41 Randy Charles 0 0 78 41 Pete Oh 0 0 78 43 Mark Petersen 0 0 76 44 James Messer 0 0 72 44 David Tatu 0 0 72 46 Evan Lloyd 0 0 66 46 Dave Buerger 0 0 66 46 Oscar Garza 0 0 66 49 Robert Little 0 0 60 Jesse Cross-Nickerson's Winning Deck ==================================== Deck Name: Ninja Parade Created By: Jesse Cross-Nickerson Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 9, Max: 28, Avg: 4.25) --------------------------------------------- 4 Djuhah aus cel pre OBF QUI 7 Assamite 2 Lubomira Hradok OBF 3 Nosferatu Antitribu 1 Jeffrey Mullins cel OBF 4 Gangrel Antitribu 1 Rashid Stockton cel obf vic 4 Gangrel Antitribu 1 Blister obf pot 3 Nosferatu Antitribu 1 Bloodfeud obf 2 Malkavian Antitribu 1 Denette Stensen obf 2 Gangrel Antitribu 1 Old Neddacka obf 2 Nosferatu Antitribu Library: (80 cards) ------------------- Master (14 cards) 1 Admonitions, The 4 Blood Doll 1 Corporal Reservoir 1 Coven, The 2 Direct Intervention 1 Dreams of the Sphinx 2 Heidelberg Castle, Germany 1 House of Sorrow 1 Pentex Subversion Action (16 cards) 1 Conceal 1 Khabar: Glory 2 Loss 2 Mustajib 5 Reunion Kamut 2 Tattoo Signal 3 Zillah`s Tears Action Modifier (31 cards) 4 Cloak the Gathering 2 Domain of Evernight 3 Elder Impersonation 1 Forgotten Labyrinth 5 Faceless Night 6 Lost in Crowds 3 Seraph`s Second 5 Spying Mission 2 Veil the Legions Reaction (9 cards) 2 Delaying Tactics 7 Truth in Ink Retainer (2 cards) 1 J. S. Simmons, Esq. 1 Tasha Morgan Equipment (4 cards) 1 Camera Phone 2 Guarded Rubrics 1 Incriminating Videotape Combo (4 cards) 4 Swallowed by the Night -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Origins 2009 Saturday 10am North American Qualifier Columbus, Ohio, USA June 27, 2009 43 players # = previously qualified ^ = newly qualified Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs 1 Mark Petersen ^ 1 6 4 150 2 Rodd Closson ^ 2 9 1 168 2 John Flournoy # 1 6 0 132 2 Peter Bakija ^ 2 7.5 0 180 2 Dave Litwin ^ 2 8 0 168 Dave->Mark->Peter->Rodd->John NOTE: This final was over in 1hr,4min. 6 Cameron Domer ^ 1 5.5 162 7 Ethan Langley ^ 1 5 132 8 Mindy Bell ^ 1 5 126 9 James Messer # 1 5 106 10 Shane Strait ^ 1 4.5 120 11 Hugh Angseesing # 1 4.5 114 12 Matt Morgan # 1 4 144 13 Jay Kristoff # 1 4 132 14 Dave Pennington II 1 3.5 108 15 David Barasch 1 3 112 15 Ben Swainbank 1 3 112 17 Dave Buerger 1 3 102 18 Oscar Garza 1 3 96 19 David Tatu # 0 3 138 20 Brad Cashdollar # 0 2.5 118 21 Will Kristoff # 0 2.5 114 22 Bob Joseph # 0 2 114 23 Josh Whelan 0 2 72 24 John Pattie 0 1.5 108 24 Matt Strehlow # 0 1.5 108 26 Robyn Tatu # 0 1.5 106 27 Christian Herro 0 1.5 102 27 David Conroy 0 1.5 102 29 John Bell 0 1 96 30 Kurt Kopp 0 1 94 31 Rob Dudock 0 1 90 32 Ben Kalb 0 1 84 32 Karl Schaefer # 0 1 84 34 Pete Oh 0 1 78 35 Jeff Thompson # 0 0.5 78 36 Nick Smith 0 0.5 66 37 Jesse Cross-Nickerson # 0 0 78 38 Dave Setty 0 0 76 39 Mike Perlman 0 0 74 40 John Eno # 0 0 72 41 Mark Loughman # 0 0 60 42 Jared Strait 0 0 54 43 Catrina Ahlbach # 0 0 42 Mark Petersen's Winning Deck ============================ Deck Name: Rodolfo's Friendly Spirits Created By: Mark Petersen Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 21, Max: 32, Avg: 7.08) ---------------------------------------------- 3 Rodolfo pro AUS DEM OBF 8 Malkavian Antitribu 3 Persephone Tar-Anis cel pot AUS DEM OBF 8 Malkavian Antitribu 2 Jason for AUS DEM OBF 8 Malkavian 1 Luc dem vic OBF 5 Malkavian Antitribu 1 Ruth McGinley aus cel obf DEM 6 Malkavian 1 Uncle George aus dom obf DEM 5 Malkavian Antitribu 1 Apache Jones aus for obf DEM 5 Malkavian Antitribu Library: (84 cards) ------------------- Master (13 cards) 2 Dreams of the Sphinx 2 Minion Tap 2 Vessel 1 Archon Investigation 3 Sudden Reversal 1 Giant`s Blood 1 Direct Intervention 1 Secure Haven Action (14 cards) 14 Kindred Spirits Action Modifier (31 cards) 3 Confusion 3 Faceless Night 8 Spying Mission 2 Sleep Unseen 3 Lost in Crowds 4 Elder Impersonation 4 Cloak the Gathering 2 Marked Path 2 Eyes of Chaos Reaction (12 cards) 4 Eyes of Argus 2 Confusion of the Eye 5 Telepathic Misdirection 1 On the Qui Vive Combat (2 cards) 2 Zip Gun Ally (1 cards) 1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) Event (2 cards) 2 Veil of Darkness Combo (9 cards) 2 Deny 1 Touch of Clarity 6 Swallowed by the Night -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Origins 2009 Saturday 6pm Recursion Booster Draft (draft was 5x LoB/2x Ebony Kingdom with one recursion) Columbus, Ohio, USA June 27, 2009 28 players Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs 1 Cameron Domer 1 5 4 84 2 Chris Berg 1 4.5 1 114 2 Christian Herro 1 5 0 96 2 Oscar Garza 2 5 0 120 2 Mike Ooi 1 4 0 88 Chris->Oscar->Cameron->Christian->Mike NOTE: This final was over in 1hr,45min. 6 Jesse Cross-Nickerson 1 3.5 102 7 Matt Morgan 1 3 84 8 Pete Oh 1 2 78 9 Rob Dudock 0 2 90 10 Ben Peal 0 2 84 10 Dave Buerger 0 2 84 12 John Pattie 0 2 72 13 Matt Strehlow 0 1.5 72 13 Dave Setty 0 1.5 72 13 Hugh Angseesing 0 1.5 72 16 Karl Schaefer 0 1.5 66 17 James Wilhelm 0 1 78 18 Robert Miller, Jr. 0 1 76 19 Greg Galyanov 0 1 66 20 John Flournoy 0 0.5 60 21 James Rodriguez 0 0 48 21 Dave McCarty 0 0 48 23 Mark Petersen 0 0 46 24 Mike Perlman 0 0 42 24 Ben Swainbank 0 0 42 24 Dave Litwin 0 0 42 27 Peter Bakija 0 0 36 DQ Ethan Langley 0 0 18 (self-withdrawl) -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Origins 2009 Sunday 11am Constructed Columbus, Ohio, USA June 28, 2009 31 players Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs 1 Hugh Angseesing 1 5.5 3 114 2 Mark Petersen 1 4.5 1 114 2 Matt Morgan 1 6 0 114 2 Jay Kristoff 1 5 1 102 2 Josh Whelan 2 6 0 120 Mark->Jay->Josh->Hugh->Matt NOTE: This final was over in 1hr,33min. 6 Catrina Ahlbach 1 3.5 96 7 Ben Peal 1 3 84 8 Dave Litwin 1 2.5 78 9 Dave Buerger 1 2 84 10 Will Kristoff 0 2 82 11 Jesse Cross-Nickerson 0 2 78 12 John Eno 0 2 72 13 David Tatu 0 1.5 84 14 Evan Lloyd 0 1.5 76 15 Rodd Closson 0 1 72 16 Matt Strehlow 0 1 66 16 Rob Dudock 0 1 66 16 Matt Guinn 0 1 66 19 Brad Cashdollar 0 1 64 20 Mike Perlman 0 1 54 20 Bob Joseph 0 1 54 20 Cameron Domer 0 1 54 20 Ben Swainbank 0 1 54 24 Robyn Tatu 0 0.5 64 25 Pete Oh 0 0.5 54 25 Karl Schaefer 0 0.5 54 27 Christian Herro 0 0 52 28 Ethan Langley 0 0 48 29 John Pattie 0 0 46 30 Mark Loughman 0 0 36 31 John Flournoy 0 0 30 Hugh Angseesing's Winning Deck ============================== Deck Name: It's Pronounced "HUG-huh" Created by: Matt Morgan This was the only deck I could really put together for Ebony Kingdom as I didn't have very many EK cards yet. It was meant to have 4 Quicken Sight, but I guess I accidentally put in an extra. 5 is too many. The 5th should be Enhanced Senses or something. Also, some of the cards in the deck (like Familial Bond) are junk, but I wanted to try everything new. It was originally intended to have Aye, but they didn't make the cut. I played this untested in the US Championship and had a very Goldilocks experience. The first table was too stealthy and I jammed on combat. The second one was too fighty and I couldn't keep out of torpor. The third table was just right and I won easily. Hugh borrowed the deck for the Sunday tournament and made the final where he won basically by being in the best shape after the table collapsed (a fine way to win). His only comment to me was the deck could use a couple of Camera Phones. Probably a good plan. Powerbase: Luanda is quite good. It's maybe the only thing here that makes this deck something other than a poor Toreador gun deck without the bleed potential. Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 4.66667] 1x Abiku AUS POT cel obt 6 Osebo:4 1x Dominique Santo Paulo AUS CEL pot pre 6 Toreador antitribu:4 1x Homa AUS CEL POT 6 Osebo:4 4x Titi Camara AUS CEL pot 5 Osebo:5 2x Idrissa CEL aus 4 Osebo:4 1x Ismitta aus cel pot 4 Osebo:4 1x Kamaria aus pot 3 Osebo:4 1x Monique Kim aus cel 3 Toreador antitribu:4 Library [83 cards] Master [16] 1x Barrens, The 5x Blood Doll 2x Fame 1x Guardian Angel 1x KRCG News Radio 1x Mbare Market, Harare 1x Pallid 1x Powerbase: Luanda 1x Powerbase: Montreal 1x Rack, The 1x Smiling Jack, The Anarch Action [7] 1x 419 Operation 1x Atonement 2x Enforcer 2x Nose of the Hound 1x Well-Marked Action Modifier/Combat [2] 2x Resist Earth's Grasp Equipment [9] 7x .44 Magnum 1x Blood Shield 1x Bowl of Convergence Reaction [28] 3x Eagle's Sight 6x Eyes of Argus 1x Familial Bond 1x My Enemy's Enemy 3x On the Qui Vive 5x Quicken Sight 6x Telepathic Misdirection 3x Wake with Evening's Freshness Combat [21] 6x Concealed Weapon 1x Fast Hands 2x Flash 2x Psyche! 2x Pursuit 2x Side Strike 3x Sideslip 3x Taste of Vitae Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/

On Jul 2, 4:34 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > Ok, here's what I have from Origins 2009: > -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- > > Origins 2009 Thursday 11am Constructed > Columbus, Ohio, USA > June 25, 2009 > 34 players > > Rank Name PrelimGWs PrelimVPs FinalVPs TPs > 1 Robyn Tatu 1 6 2 114 Pretty sure this should be 2.5 FinalVPs, since I don't think I ousted her before we timed out. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] That is correct. My error. Robyn, this doesn't affect any points as far as I can see so I don't think it is necessary to reinput the results. LSJ, why did the Archon let me enter 2-0-0.5-0-0.5 without having a 'pending' degisnation? [ quoted text not captured ]

Kevin M. wrote: > Ok, here's what I have from Origins 2009: More Origins pics, including a few wide-angle pics: http://pics.obtenebration.org/pics/plogger/?level=collection&id=2

Kevin M. wrote: > LSJ, why did the Archon let me enter 2-0-0.5-0-0.5 without > having a 'pending' degisnation? The final round never shows "pending", even when no VPs have been entered. No reason to expect it to suddenly change to "pending" as data is added. It does, however, show no GW until all the data is in. So with 2-0-.5-0-.5, it should still fail to indicate a GW. It never occurred to me that the final would need a pending designation. The pending indicators are in the previous rounds since the data collection period in those rounds is usually quite hectic and rushed. Unlike post-final.

On Jul 2, 4:34 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > Origins 2009 Saturday 10am North American Qualifier > Mark Petersen's Winning Deck > ============================ > Deck Name: Rodolfo's Friendly Spirits > Created By: Mark Petersen > > Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 21, Max: 32, Avg: 7.08) > ---------------------------------------------- > 3 Rodolfo pro AUS DEM OBF 8 Malkavian Antitribu > 3 Persephone Tar-Anis cel pot AUS DEM OBF 8 Malkavian Antitribu > 2 Jason for AUS DEM OBF 8 Malkavian > 1 Luc dem vic OBF 5 Malkavian Antitribu > 1 Ruth McGinley aus cel obf DEM 6 Malkavian > 1 Uncle George aus dom obf DEM 5 Malkavian Antitribu > 1 Apache Jones aus for obf DEM 5 Malkavian Antitribu > I made the deck awhile back, and now that i look at the crypt Morel (sp?) seems like a no-brainer substitute for Luc and/or Ruth. [ quoted text not captured ] Last Minute addition that did me no good all day. Combat was nowheresville. > Ally (1 cards) > 1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter) > Summoned him lots but didn't block much with him. > Event (2 cards) > 2 Veil of Darkness > There totally wasn't any Veil of Darkness in my deck, for the record. These should be Veil the Legions instead. > Combo (9 cards) > 2 Deny > 1 Touch of Clarity > 6 Swallowed by the Night > Thanks to all involved for a great weekend. -Merlin

[ quoted text not captured ] Looking at this decklist it's clear that Hugh played the shit out of this deck for the win. For the card ratios in here he had to be saving some things for my gun deck in the heads-up late game. Well done. -Merlin

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh, I agree with it not necessarily needing it, I just thought it'd be nice to have it standardized. That, and I like the 'pending' designator, so I can avoid situations like this. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

Merlin wrote: > "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: >> Origins 2009 Saturday 10am North American Qualifier > >> Mark Petersen's Winning Deck >> ============================ >> 2 Veil of Darkness > > There totally wasn't any Veil of Darkness in my deck, > for the record. These should be Veil the Legions instead. Oh poo, that's my fault. :P [ quoted text not captured ]

On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > > Ben Swainbank's Winning Deck > ============================ > Deck Name: Mad Fat Bastards > Created By: Ben Swainbank > > Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 16, Max: 38, Avg: 6.91) > ---------------------------------------------- > 1 Ahmose Chambers obf ser 3 Settite > 1 Sisocharis cel obf pre 4 Settite > 1 Sahira Siraj obf ser tha 4 Settite > 1 Renenet ser OBF PRE 5 Settite > 1 Abdelsobek for nec obf pre ser 5 Settite > 1 Clea Auguste d`Holford pre ser OBF POT 6 Settite > 1 Shemti vic OBF POT PRE SER 9 Settite > 1 Pentweret aus for obe OBF PRE SER 9 Settite > 1 Porphyrion for CHI OBF PRE SER 9 Settite > 1 Neferu dom nec OBF PRE SER THA 9 Settite > 1 Nakhthorheb OBF PRE SER 10 Settite > 1 Seterpenre AUS NEC OBF PRE SER 10 Settite > I find this a little strange. I too, use the 9 and 10 cap Settites in my SoL deck, mostly because of Mesu Bedshet, but I find I rarely have the actions to spare for Mesu, and will probably remove it and replace the Settites with IC members. What I find strange is that you do not use Halim Bey. I know he has no presence, for weak-ass combat defense, but you don't use any presence in your deck. Myself, I use 2 or 3 copies of Halim, along with Black Lotus who both have DOM, and 1 each of Abdelsobek and Amenophobis (who has dom, and as a 7 cap works okay as either a mummy or a vampire). I find Halim's special to be invaluable, especially for rushing at stealth, but also for knocking down a prey who overspent with +1 stealth bleeds for 1. The dominate, of course, is good for deflections, and I go with similar combat "defense" as yours - i.e. ignore combat defense and use the mummy's combat package for the vampires if necessary. How come you hate Halim so much? =)

On Jul 5, 11:27 pm, Chris Berger <ark...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: > On Jul 2, 3:34 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > > 2 errors in the deck list. Veil of Darkness should be Veil the Legions and there was a 2nd Unmasking as well (61 card library). > > I find this a little strange. I too, use the 9 and 10 cap Settites > in my SoL deck, mostly because of Mesu Bedshet, but I find I rarely > have the actions to spare for Mesu, and will probably remove it and > replace the Settites with IC members. Me too. I had Mesu Bedshet and Summon the Serpent in there, but never had actions for them (and didn't have trouble getting 5 uncontrolled fatties). So, I took them out. Should have moved to 11 caps at the same time. > What I find strange is that you > do not use Halim Bey. The deck is very focused on just getting Spell of Life off early. It pops pretty reliably on turn 6-8. I really don't want doubles in the crypt because I want 2 early (small) actors and 5 more, distinct, large, uncontrolled vampires ready turn 6. So, Halim didn't make the cut because he's a 6-cap with obf. I suppose he might still be better than Abdelsobek. I'm not really tempted to include dom bounce. Defense is allies block/ rush, not spending much pool on minions, and then smashing my predator (as needed) when the mummies show up. -Ben Swainbank

On Jul 7, 11:28 am, Ben Swainbank <bswainb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > What I find strange is that you > > do not use Halim Bey. > > The deck is very focused on just getting Spell of Life off early. It > pops pretty reliably on turn 6-8. I really don't want doubles in the > crypt because I want 2 early (small) actors and 5 more, distinct, > large, uncontrolled vampires ready turn 6. > > So, Halim didn't make the cut because he's a 6-cap with obf. I suppose > he might still be better than Abdelsobek. > I guess I can see that, but I suppose I'm willing to use a 5-cap and a 6-cap as my two influenced vampires in exchange for having bounce. Superior obf would be nice, of course. > I'm not really tempted to include dom bounce. Defense is allies block/ > rush, not spending much pool on minions, and then smashing my predator > (as needed) when the mummies show up. > Yeah, see, I find that even *with* bounce, even when I *don't* miss a turn with the Spells (which, I occasionally do with 10 of them in a 60- card deck, which sucks... should probably at least bump it up to 11), I still find myself teetering on being ousted by the time I actually get mummies. You can't get Mummies until turn 6 or 7 (and you only get them on turn 6 if you go 3rd and have a 3-cap or 4th/5th and have a 4-cap, seems like 50/50 shot at best, assuming you don't miss a turn with Spells). By turn 7, if predator is playing heavy bleed, I would expect to have been bled for like 20 pool. At least 3/turn starting on turn 3, and then up to 6/turn (or more) after that. Of course, even more likely than that is my Settites being dunked before they can do anything useful, and deflections certainly won't help with that.... So, yeah... I dunno, maybe different environment, or maybe the fact that you have more *other* allies and an extra Unmasking is good enough for defense? (I currently use 1 Unmasking, 1 Dragonbound, and I *think* there might be a Breaking the Code in there, along with a Fortschritt Library.) Either way, while it looks like you made some different decisions than I did in building my version, I guess I'm still not entirely enlightened on what makes it consistent enough to win a pretty good- sized tournament. I might just have to try playing your version and seeing if it just flows better than mine.

[ quoted text not captured ] I have a similar SoL deck with the crypt half small setites/half 11 caps. I modified the deck to include Halim Bey, but it slowed the deck down. Taking an extra turn to influence him out and then instead of recruiting allies he sat up to flick. I can see that it could work with Halim Bey, but you would have to play the deck a bit differently. Nick

Many thanks to Kevin for his greatness! see ya all in Atlanta. Hug-huh