Found hoard

Hi, I've just unearthed a hoard of Jyhad cards that I bought in the UK sometime around 1995 (could be a year or so either way..) and I was wondering if anyone in this newsgroup would be kind enough to help me with a couple of questions? First off, how do I go about identifying what edition I have? I bought all the cards in about a 6 month period, so I guess they'll all be the same edition. Secondly, is there a market for this kind of stuff? I have around 400 cards, probably at least 200 individual cards. I think there's about 3 starter decks in there and the rest were booster decks. I'm going to catalogue them and stick them on eBay but I was wondering if it'd be best to sell them off in smallish lots or as a collection. If anyone takes offence at me being so flagrantly capitalist, then all I can say in my defence is that I've got a bad retro gaming habit that needs feeding. Oh yeah I've also got a naff wee sack full of glass beads.. blood counters or something. Feel free to get in touch if you're interested. Cheers - Jiroczech

In message <wWN_6.16371$4i5.1...@news1.cableinet.net>, Jiroczech <jiro...@hotmail.com> writes >First off, how do I go about identifying what edition I have? I bought all >the cards in about a 6 month period, so I guess they'll all be the same >edition. Do they say Jyhad on the back? Or V:TES? If Jyhad, it's the first printing. If V:TES, name half a dozen. It'll probably be the re-printing of the first set (with a few changes). >Secondly, is there a market for this kind of stuff? I have around 400 cards, >probably at least 200 individual cards. I think there's about 3 starter >decks in there and the rest were booster decks. Not a great deal, though half a dozen "key" rares will be good if you have them - Freak Drive and Temptation of Greater Power being the main two - because they're quite sought after for specific decks. >I'm going to catalogue them and stick them on eBay but I was wondering if >it'd be best to sell them off in smallish lots or as a collection. Probably your best bet is to poke eBay and see what the record is with V:TES/Jyhad sales. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D EBD690ECD7A1F "Analogies can be dangerous, Amanda," he begins, smiling B457CA213D7E6 slightly, "because the world is like a sandcastle..." 68C3695D623D5D

Thanks for the response "James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote > Do they say Jyhad on the back? Or V:TES? They say Jyhad , so that makes them first printing. > >Secondly, is there a market for this kind of stuff? I have around 400 cards, > >probably at least 200 individual cards. I think there's about 3 starter > >decks in there and the rest were booster decks. > Not a great deal, though half a dozen "key" rares will be good if you > have them - Freak Drive and Temptation of Greater Power being the main > two - because they're quite sought after for specific decks. Oh.. I have Freak Drive, but not Temptation of Greater Power, what are the other rares? I noticed someone on eBay paying a lot for Theft of Vitae, which seems pretty common.. guess it's a useful card for a deck?

In message <s4R_6.20142$4i5.1...@news1.cableinet.net>, Jiroczech <jiro...@hotmail.com> writes >Oh.. I have Freak Drive, but not Temptation of Greater Power, what are the >other rares? Erm, ones that seem to do quite well are: Ecoterrorists Arcane Library Art Museum Freak Drive Temptation of Greater Power Betrayer The various political action cards called <Clan> Justicar Renegade Garou Soul Gem of Etrius > I noticed someone on eBay paying a lot for Theft of Vitae, >which seems pretty common.. guess it's a useful card for a deck? It's uncommon, it's useful in decks *but* it's also easy to get hold of. Remember, boys and girls, eBay has lots and lots of people willing to pay silly money for something because they haven't worked out what it would cost them to get it new and just out-bid everyone else instead. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Jiroczech" <jiro...@hotmail.com> wrote > > Oh.. I have Freak Drive, but not Temptation of Greater Power, what are the > other rares? I noticed someone on eBay paying a lot for Theft of Vitae, > which seems pretty common.. guess it's a useful card for a deck? That was probably *Taste* of Vitae. That would be an uncommon from that set, not rare.

"Wes" <gh...@NOSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<9hgp1...@enews4.newsguy.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Actually, Taste of Vitae is rare in both Jyhad and V:TES as they hadn't realized what a utility card it was. It was reprinted in Sabbat as a uncommon. I don't know if it was reprinted in Sabbat War outside the Brujah Starter. It may be in the Giovanni starter with IG, I don't remember Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

> Actually, Taste of Vitae is rare in both Jyhad and V:TES as they hadn't > realized what a utility card it was. It was reprinted in Sabbat as > a uncommon. I don't know if it was reprinted in Sabbat War outside the > Brujah Starter. It may be in the Giovanni starter with IG, I don't remember > > > Comments Welcome, > Norman S. Brown Jr. > XZealot > Archon of the Swamp Taste is most certainly uncommon in BOTH jyhad and Vtes. Along with eagles sight, immortal grapple, and several other cards that are often passed off as rares, because they are useful and in high demand.(ie second/5th traditions) It is included in the !brujah starter. Not sure about the Giovanni one? Anytime there is doubt, check the card lists at: http://www.white-wolf.com/VTES/home.html The cards are all listed, with their official rarities. Aaron

"XZealot" <X_Ze...@email.msn.com> wrote > > Actually, Taste of Vitae is rare in both Jyhad and V:TES as they hadn't > realized what a utility card it was. It was reprinted in Sabbat as > a uncommon. I don't know if it was reprinted in Sabbat War outside the > Brujah Starter. It may be in the Giovanni starter with IG, I don't remember According to White Wolf's website: The Jyhad/V:tES version of Taste of Vitae was Uncommon. (Though I always suspected it was somehow *less* common than that). It doesn't show in the card list for Sabbat, so presumably was not reprinted. It was in Sabbat War, exclusively in the !Brujah starter (not boosters IIRC). There was no reprint in the Final Nights starters. I think it probably should have been... but have no complaints. On a related topic, what cards do you guys think seriously *need* to be reprinted? I'm thinking: -Freak Drive -Embrace -Rotschreck -the 7 or so cards that were included in unlimited but not in Jyhad (Archon Investigation, etc.) Of course, if they are reprinting the entire set (hint hint) then the question is moot, though obviously some of the rarities need to be changed. Also, I think some cards *don't* need to be reprinted yet again. I have enough Ascendance and The Barrens, thank you very much. Cheers, WES

X_Ze...@email.msn.com (XZealot) wrote in message news:<82c154eb.01062...@posting.google.com>... > Actually, Taste of Vitae is rare in both Jyhad and V:TES as they hadn't > realized what a utility card it was. It was reprinted in Sabbat as > a uncommon. I don't know if it was reprinted in Sabbat War outside the > Brujah Starter. It may be in the Giovanni starter with IG, I don't remember No, Taste of Vitae really was uncommon in Jyhad and VTES. Check the rarities on the White Wolf checklists (www.white-wolf.com/vtes; click on Jyhad and V:TES under the card sets heading). It was still probably not available in sufficient numbers, but it wasn't an actual rare. Maybe you're thinking of Immortal Grapple which was in fact rare in Jyhad and V:TES, reprinted as an uncommon in Sabbat? Josh where nit-pick is the rule! now available on both coasts!

In article <7ab27d37.01062...@posting.google.com>, Aaron <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote: >Taste is most certainly uncommon in BOTH jyhad and Vtes. Along with >eagles sight, immortal grapple, and several other cards that are often >passed off as rares, because they are useful and in high demand.(ie >second/5th traditions) Immortal Grapple is R2 in Jyhad, R in V:tES, uncommon in The Sabbat, and uncommon/Precon-Brujah in Sabbat War. Eagle's Sight is uncommon in V:tES and Jyhad. All Traditions are uncommon, except the First, which is rare. Source: White Wolf site links: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Checklist_Jyhad.html Jyhad rarities http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/Checklist_VTES.html V:tES rarities gomi -- Yes, I believe but I'd rather not pray What I believe in I'd rather not say, baby

>There was no reprint in the Final Nights starters. I think it probably >should have been... but have no complaints. On a related topic, what cards >do you guys think seriously *need* to be reprinted? > >I'm thinking: >-Freak Drive >-Embrace >-Rotschreck >-the 7 or so cards that were included in unlimited but not in Jyhad (Archon >Investigation, etc.) Eagle Sight, Telepathic Misdirection, Clan Impersonation, a number of the utility rares from Jyhad such as Ivory Bow, Weather Control, Horrid Form (because the card should be easy to get), Derange and any other useful Sabbat rares not reprinted in SW. These come to mind, I'm sure there are many others.

> I'm thinking: > -Freak Drive 2nd most important. > -Embrace Most important. You can use an Embrace in basically EVERY deck. (I'd even put one into a Rush combat deck, since once you've got the guy out of minions, that extra 1 bleed can make a big difference. Peter still wouldn't, so I'd trust him more for advice. =) > -Rotschreck > -the 7 or so cards that were included in unlimited but not in Jyhad (Archon > Investigation, etc.) I've got enough Elder Interventions, myself. (and/or Pack Tactics, of course.) > Of course, if they are reprinting the entire set (hint hint) then the > question is moot, though obviously some of the rarities need to be changed. > Also, I think some cards *don't* need to be reprinted yet again. I have > enough Ascendance and The Barrens, thank you very much. Yeah, and now that you're in the "the clique" with the rest of us, I'll bet you don't care if they reprint Aid from Bats, do you? =) -- Pat Ricochet Soul Jar'rn Fool of Atlanta

go...@best.com (Gomi no Sensei) wrote in message news:<9hijbe$kn7 > Immortal Grapple is R2 in Jyhad, R in V:tES, uncommon in The Sabbat, and > uncommon/Precon-Brujah in Sabbat War. True...Exactly how rare is a reprinted card, that is only in the preconstructed starters, would you think? I mean, of course you *always* get that card. But then how many $10 starter decks do you want to buy to get "uncommon" immortal grapples? Aaron

Aaron <roans...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7ab27d37.01062...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Quite a lot, if you can trade the rest of the deck away with newbie players... ^_^ Flux

"Pat Ricochet" <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote > > Yeah, and now that you're in the "the clique" with the rest of us, I'll > bet you don't care if they reprint Aid from Bats, do you? =) Presumably, if the base set is reprinted, and I know we all want that, there would be at least 4 and probably 7 or 8 (including Caitiff?) pre-constructed Camarilla clan decks. If this were the case, the formula used with Final Nights would work well here. Add one or two Aid from Bats to the Nosferatu or Gangrel starters and keep them out of the boosters entirely. That way they're still in reach of those who didn't have access to the limted/unlimited set, for which that set would be primarily aimed at. I know anyone who has been playing for ages probably has a metric tonne of Aid from Bats, but the last time they were printed was for unlimited, so presumably there are plenty of newer players who do not own any. Then again, those new players could also just ask one of the older players to share theirs... I'm sure most veterans will happily give away Aid from Bats in exchange for a new person to play with. Which brings up the question... do we need the entire base set to be reprinted or just the ones people need? I remember there was a Magic expansion (Legends? Not sure...) that reprinted the cards that people were demanding. I also seem to recall that this was *not* well-received by people, but don't remember why. Would something similar be a good idea for this game? I mean, personally... I would be happy to see more of the uncommon/rare cards that have so far been mentioned, but I would also like to see the new players having access to the basic cards needed to compete with the veterans. If we can eliminate the basic cards that have been reprinted already in Sabbat War and Final Nights, we have a lot more room to maneuver. For example, I think we can all agree that Undead Strength does *not* need to be reprinted. Most players should theoretically have access to any one of the five sets in which it has been printed. Personally, I was very happy with the way the old and new cards were distributed in the Final Nights pre-cons. Whoever designed the decks (LSJ?) seems to have balanced nicely the Ancient Hearts/Dark Sovereign cards with some of the new utiltiy cards of each discipline. It must have been a hard balance to reach. Increased Strength was a good choice to include for example since it only appeared previously in Ancient Hearts. Other old cards, which for whatever reason did not make the cut could also make their appearance in the new set, Spiritual Intervention being a good example (possibly filling the slot which removing Undead Strength would make). Thoughts? Cheers, WES

"Wes" <gh...@NOSPAMmnsi.net> > I'm sure most veterans will happily give away Aid from Bats in > exchange for a new person to play with. Of course ! the problem is newbies are often just too shy to ask. Actually i once almost forced a guy to take cards from me =) > Which brings up the question... do we need the entire base set to be > reprinted or just the ones people need? I remember there was a Magic > expansion (Legends? Not sure...) that was Chronicles. > that reprinted the cards that people were > demanding. Alas they reprinted a lot of garbage ! almost all commons were wallpaper where only a few good cards came out. And , yess you guess right, they were the rare ones... > I also seem to recall that this was *not* well-received by > people, but don't remember why. Would something similar be a good idea for > this game? You know why now ! And i hop the scheme will be better with the V:tes reprints... (snip the good theory) > Thoughts? Yeah, your theory is quite good. But i only fear the rarity thing... I think the veterans, who buy most of the cards, will not buy this set if there is no powerful, uber rare cards (11th tradition : untap with +2 intercept and fill your vampire to capacity while burning a diablerist. Ah, and gain a pool by the way.) > Cheers, > WES > just my 2 life reyda

"Wes" <gh...@NOSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message <snip> > Which brings up the question... do we need the entire base set to be > reprinted or just the ones people need? I remember there was a Magic > expansion (Legends? Not sure...) that reprinted the cards that people were > demanding. I also seem to recall that this was *not* well-received by > people, but don't remember why. Would something similar be a good idea for > this game? It was called chronicles? And it was ill received because, I believe, it reprinted cards that only the people that had been playing for a long time had. Also..just try to imagine if you had traded all you own to complete your one deck, using 15 freak drives. Tomorrow WW decides to drop them to common in a new set. You could have saved your other 15 rares that you just traded away. Kind crummy for the old players if you see my point. Personally, I would like there to only be preconstructed decks. Random cards are annoying. I wish everyone had 15 freak drives and could just make decks, and now have to worry about R1's vs R2's or who has the most cash. > I mean, personally... I would be happy to see more of the uncommon/rare > cards that have so far been mentioned, but I would also like to see the new > players having access to the basic cards needed to compete with the > veterans. You, apparently, already have the idea. Aaron

>> "Wes" <gh...@NOSPAMmnsi.net> >> I'm sure most veterans will happily give away Aid from Bats in >> exchange for a new person to play with. > Reyda wrote: > Of course ! the problem is newbies are often just too shy to ask. Actually > i once almost forced a guy to take cards from me =) Hrm. I don't seem to have that problem. Something about a milk crate filled to almost overflowing, followed by my mantra, "Take what you need," tends to not meet any resistance at all. > Yeah, your theory is quite good. But i only fear the rarity thing... I think > the veterans, who buy most of the cards, will not buy this set if there is > no powerful, uber rare cards Quite the contrary. As one of the veterans (I assume one can claim the title if one played when Jyhad was still in print) I'll buy 5-7 boxes of cards shortly after a expansion comes out. After that, if I'm still wanting multiple copies of a particular card, I'll aggressively trade for it or buy singles. I'm also grateful that there is no such thing as an all-powerful, uber rare card. In VTES, it appears that the rares are not more powerful, but rather are more specialized or gimmicky. Regards, Noal

In article <7ab27d37.01062...@posting.google.com>, roans...@yahoo.com (Aaron) wrote: >Also..just try to imagine if you had traded all you own to complete >your one deck, using 15 freak drives. Tomorrow WW decides to drop >them to common in a new set. You could have saved your other 15 rares >that you just traded away. Kind crummy for the old players if you see >my point. > >Personally, I would like there to only be preconstructed decks. Random >cards are annoying. I wish everyone had 15 freak drives and could >just make decks, and now have to worry about R1's vs R2's or who has >the most cash. Hey, why not just sell some "utility packs" with bunches of useful cards? Print up some labeled (or transparent, then you only need one label for all of them) boosters with 11 5th Tradition, 11 Freak Drive, 11 Immortal Grapple, 11 different Praxis Seizures, and a few other rares that everyone clamors for. To Hell with the collectors, let's help the people that actually play this game, of which there are far more. Oh, and as to cards that should be modified when reprinted, the Sengir Dagger should be changed to strength aggravated damage, to bring it in line with the Femur of Toomler and the new Kali's Fang. (Given the latter change, the former is likely, but I want to make sure it doesn't get oversighted.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail: santiago [at] umug [dot] org || Web: http://santiago.umug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ceci n'est pas un 'sig block'."

>>Personally, I would like there to only be preconstructed decks. Random >>cards are annoying. I wish everyone had 15 freak drives and could >>just make decks, and now have to worry about R1's vs R2's or who has >>the most cash. > > Hey, why not just sell some "utility packs" with bunches of useful >cards? Print up some labeled (or transparent, then you only need one >label for all of them) boosters with 11 5th Tradition, 11 Freak Drive, >11 Immortal Grapple, 11 different Praxis Seizures, and a few other rares >that everyone clamors for. To Hell with the collectors, let's help the >people that actually play this game, of which there are far more. Unfortunately, I doubt that these "player-oriented" ideas would be very economically feasible. Pre-constructed starters don't sell as well as starters. And if everyone can easily get 11 IG's, 5ths, etc., then they aren't likely to buy as much stuff, meaning less revenue and profits for White Wolf. > Oh, and as to cards that should be modified when reprinted, the >Sengir Dagger should be changed to strength aggravated damage, to bring >it in line with the Femur of Toomler and the new Kali's Fang. (Given >the latter change, the former is likely, but I want to make sure it >doesn't get oversighted.) Umm...isn't Sengir Dager *already* strength aggravated damage? Sengir Dagger [Jyhad, V:TES] Cardtype: Equipment Cost: 2 pool Unique melee weapon. <Strength aggravated damage> each strike. Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: > Umm...isn't Sengir Dager *already* strength aggravated damage? Yes. The V:TES version moved to strength (then called "hand damage") from the Jyhad's "1 damage". -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Noal McDonald" <dhar...@none-of-your-fscking-business.com> (my post)> > Yeah, your theory is quite good. But i only fear the rarity thing... I think > > the veterans, who buy most of the cards, will not buy this set if there is > > no powerful, uber rare cards > > Quite the contrary. > > As one of the veterans (I assume one can claim the title if one played > when Jyhad was still in print) I'll buy 5-7 boxes of cards shortly after > a expansion comes out. After that, if I'm still wanting multiple copies > of a particular card, I'll aggressively trade for it or buy singles. You buy and trade shortly after a *new* expansion comes out. If it is all reprint, i doubt you'll buy 5 to 7 boxes, unles you have a policy of "15 surprise influence & 15 political backlashes in each deck"... The veterans want to see new cards. That's all. And they want these cards to be powerful. I mean there is no point in buying tons of useless cards. If WW doesn't put a lot of useful cards in all the commons, unco and rare slots, i doubt any seasoned player will ever buy this reprinted base set expansion, especially when you can buy old jyhad booster boxes at ridiculous low price. > I'm also grateful that there is no such thing as an all-powerful, uber > rare card. In VTES, it appears that the rares are not more powerful, but > rather are more specialized or gimmicky. I'm sorry but in V:tes, face it, there are all powerful uber rare cards. The only difference with other CCG's is that 1-they are often specialized version of more common cards (see Trap/conquer the beast, Torn signpost/Fist of death, Thadius/outcast mage...) 2- they often require other cards to work properly (Temptation of Greater power requires Justicar, Smiling Jack requires special deck building, Anathema requires a vote to be called and passed succesfully then rush action etc...) 3- they are unique or can be played once (Giant's Blood, Art Museum, society of Leopold...) There are still plenty of rare wich are very good by themselves and don't need combinations to be effective : Temptation, Freak drive, Mind Rape, Golconda, Ivory bow... I won't try to list them all. But rares are often good cards [set twisting the knife and Mistaken identity aside, willya ? =) ] Just wanted to confirm my opinion that V:tes is not the dreamland of broke CCgamer... If you don't have the money, there are a lot of decks you'll actually never play. It's part of the CCG selling scheme mechanism.... reyda

"Wes" <gh...@NOSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:<9hiu7...@enews4.newsguy.com>... > "Pat Ricochet" <sp...@socrates.gatech.edu> wrote > > > > Yeah, and now that you're in the "the clique" with the rest of us, > I'll > > bet you don't care if they reprint Aid from Bats, do you? =) > > Presumably, if the base set is reprinted, and I know we all want that, there > would be at least 4 and probably 7 or 8 (including Caitiff?) pre-constructed > Camarilla clan decks. > > If this were the case, the formula used with Final Nights would work well > here. Add one or two Aid from Bats to the Nosferatu or Gangrel starters and > keep them out of the boosters entirely. That way they're still in reach of > those who didn't have access to the limted/unlimited set, for which that set > would be primarily aimed at. > > I know anyone who has been playing for ages probably has a metric tonne of > Aid from Bats, but the last time they were printed was for unlimited, so > presumably there are plenty of newer players who do not own any. Then again, > those new players could also just ask one of the older players to share > theirs... I'm sure most veterans will happily give away Aid from Bats in > exchange for a new person to play with. > > Which brings up the question... do we need the entire base set to be > reprinted or just the ones people need? I remember there was a Magic > expansion (Legends? Not sure...) Chronicles that reprinted the cards that people were > demanding. I also seem to recall that this was *not* well-received by > people, but don't remember why. The traders hated it, becausee all the power cards plummeted in value. Would something similar be a good idea for > this game? Yes, IMO, very much so. i think the basic set should be: Clan decks for all the basic Camarilla clans. PLAYABLE clan decks. i will help you to make them, WW, for FREE, and YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE ME!!!!! They do, i think, need to be playable. The ones you've made so far are a lot of fun, but not playable without a SERIOUS tweak. Boosters with a combination of: Rough Stuff - ToGP, Freak Drive, Day Op, Ecoterrorists, Protected resources etc Useful vanilla - WWEF, Change of Target, Rack Caitiffs Weird stuff - Betrayer, Rotshreck ..... stuff which makes people think ... A VERY SMALL selection of new stuff, suggest total of 8 vamps, 1 master, 1 non-discipline card, i vote and 1 card for each discipline. > > I mean, personally... I would be happy to see more of the uncommon/rare > cards that have so far been mentioned, but I would also like to see the new > players having access to the basic cards needed to compete with the > veterans. > > If we can eliminate the basic cards that have been reprinted already in > Sabbat War and Final Nights, we have a lot more room to maneuver. For > example, I think we can all agree that Undead Strength does *not* need to be > reprinted. Most players should theoretically have access to any one of the > five sets in which it has been printed. > > Personally, I was very happy with the way the old and new cards were > distributed in the Final Nights pre-cons. Whoever designed the decks (LSJ?) > seems to have balanced nicely the Ancient Hearts/Dark Sovereign cards with > some of the new utiltiy cards of each discipline. It must have been a hard > balance to reach. Increased Strength was a good choice to include for > example since it only appeared previously in Ancient Hearts. Other old > cards, which for whatever reason did not make the cut could also make their > appearance in the new set, Spiritual Intervention being a good example > (possibly filling the slot which removing Undead Strength would make). > > Thoughts? Agreed, FN is a terrific expansion. Kudos to all involved! > > Cheers, > WES

"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> > > Josh > > where nit-pick is the rule! now available on both coasts! hmmm... maybe it's time to copyright my short sentences ;) reyda

In message <9hkv2b$lrc$1...@neon.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> writes >The veterans >want to see new cards. That's all. Not true. I think I count as a veteran and there are many re-prints I want to see. I would guess that a number of veterans would want to see a number of cards reprinted e.g. Derange, ToGP etc, partly for them (they need more) and partly for the good of new players. Reprints aren't just about getting 75 billion copies of Elder Intervention. [ quoted text not captured ]

"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> a écrit dans le message news: z1YswdK$56P7...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk... > In message <9hkv2b$lrc$1...@neon.noos.net>, Reyda <re...@noos.fr> writes > >The veterans > >want to see new cards. That's all. > > Not true. I think I count as a veteran and there are many re-prints I > want to see. > > I would guess that a number of veterans would want to see a number of > cards reprinted e.g. Derange, ToGP etc, partly for them (they need more) > and partly for the good of new players. Reprints aren't just about > getting 75 billion copies of Elder Intervention. I sincerely hope so. I need ToGP too ! It's partially true. If you see new cards in the set, you will be more tempted, for sure. he he ;)

"Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote in message news:<9hnchg$rmq$1...@neon.noos.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes, you might succeed where Xerox failed. :-) Welcome to the land of appropriated catchphrases! Josh fifteen minutes of fame, free! operators are standing by to tell you how!

> No, Taste of Vitae really was uncommon in Jyhad and VTES. Check the > rarities on the White Wolf checklists (www.white-wolf.com/vtes; click > on Jyhad and V:TES under the card sets heading). > > It was still probably not available in sufficient numbers, but it wasn't > an actual rare. Maybe you're thinking of Immortal Grapple which was in > fact rare in Jyhad and V:TES, reprinted as an uncommon in Sabbat? Yes, I was mistaken. I did not get many back in the days of Jyhad and I think I traded them off for Tremere stuff, that I thought was the bomb back in those days. I just wish I had known that Taste of Vitae was much harder to come by than Theft of Vitae in 1994. :) Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. [ quoted text not captured ]