Flexicards question

Am i right in thinking that, except where ruled otherwise [eg blood brothers], cards that have two type-symbols on count as both types at once? For example, if i play a Plasmic Form as an action modifier for stealth and get blocked anyway, am i allowed to play one as a combat card in the subsequent combat? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

>Am i right in thinking that, except where ruled otherwise [eg blood >brothers], cards that have two type-symbols on count as both types at >once? > >For example, if i play a Plasmic Form as an action modifier for stealth >and get blocked anyway, am i allowed to play one as a combat card in the >subsequent combat? > Sure, why not? It doesn't make much sense to me to worry about what "type of card" a card is. Only what you're using it as. There's not a rule against playing multiple of a given card in combat so why would it matter that you played the same card as an action modifier? That rule only kicks in when you're playing cards as action modifiers. Fred

So, does that mean that I can play a Cat's Guidance for +1 Intercept, then use it again to untap my minion at the end of combat? This is important as Praxis Seizure: Guelph is only 10 days away!!! Damn, I just gave away my deck!!! Or did I??? hehehehehe LSJ, I need you!!! oAFLORD aka Thomas Kuster V:EKN Prince of Caledon "Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit Of that forbidden tree whose mortal taste Brought death into the world, and all our woe." John Milton Paradise Lost. Book i. Line 1. Frederick Scott <fre...@netcom.com> wrote in message news:8khs1q$qkl$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... [ quoted text not captured ]

> So, does that mean that I can play a Cat's Guidance for +1 Intercept, then > use it again to untap my minion at the end of combat? This is important as > Praxis Seizure: Guelph is only 10 days away!!! Damn, I just gave away my > deck!!! Or did I??? No, because you are still using it as a "reaction" card. The situation described in Legbiter's initial post was using a card as an "action modifier" then using it as a "combat" card. When used as a "combat" card, it is not modifying the action and as such doesn't fall under the action modifier/reaction rule. Sorrow --- I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am anymore |-------------------------------- I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...? anymore | you never seen anyone try to I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon ------------------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:18:34 -0400, "Oaflord" <oaf...@sprint.ca> wrote: >So, does that mean that I can play a Cat's Guidance for +1 Intercept, then >use it again to untap my minion at the end of combat? This is important as >Praxis Seizure: Guelph is only 10 days away!!! Damn, I just gave away my >deck!!! Or did I??? Nope. Both uses of Cat's Guidance are as reaction cards, in this instance. If Cat's Guidance were also a combat card that stated "At the end of combat, untap this minion", then you would be able to. But Cat's Guidance states "Only usable immediately after this vampire blocks. Untap this reacting vampire" - which is outside of combat, since reaction cards are not playable during combat. Plasmic Form is different in that it has both the symbols for action modifier *and* combat card printed on it and was designed that way. Cat's Guidance, no. =)

In article <8khk75$anf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, legb...@my-deja.com writes >Am i right in thinking that, except where ruled otherwise [eg blood >brothers], cards that have two type-symbols on count as both types at >once? Some of them were, like Ritual of the Bitter Rose (hence you have to be acting and in combat) *was*. (Since it was both at once, without discrimination - similarly Reform Body *was*. So far as I can recall, no card (now) counts as both at once, being used as one or the other function. (For example, Soul Stealing - which is now both Action Modifier and Combat, but only one at once.) > >For example, if i play a Plasmic Form as an action modifier for stealth >and get blocked anyway, am i allowed to play one as a combat card in the >subsequent combat? Since Plasmic Form isn't an action modifier then, I would be inclined to say that it does not break the rules: # A minion cannot play the same action modifier more # than once during a single action. (The online rules book.) For instance, you could play Plasmic Form at superior when reacting. Hence, at that point, it is not an action modifier - so you are not playing the same *action modifier* more than once. You are playing the same card, but it is once as an action modifier, and once as a combat card. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.zephyr.org.uk

In article <JLAh6lCf...@obeah.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe <ve...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > In article <8khk75$anf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, legb...@my-deja.com writes > >Am i right in thinking that, except where ruled otherwise [eg blood > >brothers], cards that have two type-symbols on count as both types at > >once? > > Some of them were, like Ritual of the Bitter Rose (hence you have to be > acting and in combat) *was*. (Since it was both at once, without > discrimination - similarly Reform Body *was*. > > So far as I can recall, no card (now) counts as both at once, being used > as one or the other function. What about Form of Mist (at superior?) Pretty sure if you use it to end combat and continue the action at +1 stealth, and are blocked again, you can't play it again (at superior, anyway). Trey > -- > James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) > > Vampire: Elder Kindred Network > http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.zephyr.org.uk > [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8kngtf$l5m$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Trey <tmo...@my-deja.com> writes >What about Form of Mist (at superior?) Pretty sure if you use it to end >combat and continue the action at +1 stealth, and are blocked again, >you can't play it again (at superior, anyway). You couldn't play it again at superior, since both times it would count as an action modifier. (See the errata on it.) This is the same as the fact that you could not play Lost in Crowds, get blocked, continue the action via Form of Mist (superior), and then play Lost in Crowds again - because you would be modifying the action twice with the same action modifier. You could play Form of Mist at inferior, since that is as a combat card, and is not to be an action modifier. [ quoted text not captured ]

legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > Am i right in thinking that, except where ruled otherwise [eg blood > brothers], cards that have two type-symbols on count as both types at > once? No. It counts as one type or the other when played (or in play). When out of play (in the ash heap or the hand or the library), it counts as either type (essentially "both types"). The only card that counts as two types when played is one that doesn't have two symbols printed on it - Form of Mist (due to errata). > For example, if i play a Plasmic Form as an action modifier for stealth > and get blocked anyway, am i allowed to play one as a combat card in the > subsequent combat? Yes, by card text: "This card may be used as an action modifier or a combat card". However, if there was an effect that caused you to discard all combat cards from your hand, and you had a Plasmic Form in your hand, you would have to discard it, since it is a combat card. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]