Who is Hazimel's Best Friend?

A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which vampire would maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to a few halfway thought out conclusions. Lazvernius: Being able to rush another vampire with a base strength of 4 r0x0rs. +1 bleed on him is good too of course. He can do a few cool things with some of the Chimerstry cards like Nightmare Curse. Sure he already has POT so that's a tad redundant. But he'd be able to put up quite a wall with his AUS or Eternal Vigilance. And don't forget his FOR. He can beat the crap out of you, Burning Wrath you for one less blood, Freak Drive for free and then Bleed you for 7. Lambach: Being able to rush with +1 strength aggravated damage is nice, especially when you can now TS + IG + US for 6 aggravated. Yum.... See Also: Basilla or Samantha, et al. He's also putting up a nice block and beat wall with his AUS and maybe Eternal Vigilance. DOM makes him the ultimate bruise and bleed threat. I'm sure there are others, but those were the two that immediately came to the mind of us down in D.C. Anyone else that would be good for the Eye? Peteo

Peter Oh wrote: >Lazvernius: Being able to rush another vampire with a base strength of 4 >r0x0rs. +1 bleed on him is good too of course. He can do a few cool things >with some of the Chimerstry cards like Nightmare Curse. Sure he already has >POT so that's a tad redundant. But he'd be able to put up quite a wall with >his AUS or Eternal Vigilance. And don't forget his FOR. He can beat the >crap out of you, Burning Wrath you for one less blood, Freak Drive for free >and then Bleed you for 7. Why could he Freak Drive for free? Eye of Hazimel: Eye of Hazimel Equipment 3 Pool Unique equipment. The minion with this equipment gets +1 bleed and +1 strength. This minion may enter combat with any minion controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. If this minion is a vampire, he or she has superior Chimerstry and superior Potence, and combat cards cost this vampire 1 less blood to play. While the bearer is ready, this equipment cannot be transferred, moved, or stolen. If this equipment is burned, this minion takes 5 unpreventable damage. During your untap phase, burn 1 pool or burn this equipment. ...or maybe you were thinking of adding Masochism as well... Jay

Peter Oh wrote: > A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which > vampire would maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to > a few halfway thought out conclusions. (snip) Laz already has sup potence and +2 strength he's already a combat monster Lambach has also access to very strong combat cards. I won't give them the eye. I'll have to put together a storyline deck, and will center my deck around a two man army : Ivan Krenyenko (POT CHI + 1 strength) which can fetch any equipment from library during untap and the infamous Lazar (for, annoying special) Lazar with for POT CHI can survive almost any rush he takes : he pays one less blood for Skin of steel or Apparition. This makes a potence trapparition perfectly viable for those two vampires. I may add that any small cap ravnos equipped with the hand of conrad, say Givran dalaal (giving him POT) can bring Lazar from the ash heap for more rushing madness =) hey, now i can't say i'll be pissed of when someone will sit at the storyline table with exactly the same deck i just brought =) reyda

"Peter Oh" <ohb...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:<Xjdi9.40924$jG2.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which vampire would > maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to a few halfway thought > out conclusions. > > Lazvernius: Being able to rush another vampire with a base strength of 4 > r0x0rs. +1 bleed on him is good too of course. He can do a few cool things > with some of the Chimerstry cards like Nightmare Curse. Sure he already has > POT so that's a tad redundant. But he'd be able to put up quite a wall with > his AUS or Eternal Vigilance. And don't forget his FOR. He can beat the > crap out of you, Burning Wrath you for one less blood, Freak Drive for free > and then Bleed you for 7. I suppose, but a Dominate / Potence / Chimestry / Auspex / Fortitude deck is reaching a bit - especially since there is no guarantee he will get the eye. I would prefer standard intercept / beats with a few Eternal Vigilance, and throw in a couple of Draba to shag the inevitable Stealth Bleeder. Add a couple of Pulses for motion and you are in better shape. This way you are looking at a Pot / For / Aus deck with a small amount of Chimestry on the offchance. You could also do the "famous" Karl Strathcona "Tag Team" throwing in Vincent Day and maybe Ulugh Beg for larks. Use the Eye for innates and, as I said, a few Draba (which is fairly awesome at sup) for the times you DO get it. > Lambach: Being able to rush with +1 strength aggravated damage is nice, > especially when you can now TS + IG + US for 6 aggravated. Yum.... See > Also: Basilla or Samantha, et al. He's also putting up a nice block and > beat wall with his AUS and maybe Eternal Vigilance. DOM makes him the > ultimate bruise and bleed threat. VERY weak, since Lambach's strength is in his intercept and Visscitude / Dom combo. 10 blood for agg damage at default is pokey. Maybe Mary the Black or someone cheaper. The intercept option is better engaged through Laz (above). > I'm sure there are others, but those were the two that immediately came to > the mind of us down in D.C. > > Anyone else that would be good for the Eye? Well, I had been working on a Dom / Chi deck using 3 ravnos (Vaclav, Big Ivan, and that 8 cap with a crap special and possibly Francois Villon). The high concept is the use of Imposing Phantasm and Potence - Grapple, IP, hit for shack-loads, disarm. Or Burning Wrath. With the Path up, you are looking at FREE additional strikes and +1 hand, providing you use it to put a vampire down. Now, with the Eye and the Hand of Conrad, you are looking at an additional 2 ways to power up your Ravnos with POT outside of master cards. Bearing in mind that Ivan has +1 hand anyway, with the eye he has a default of 3 hand damage, with IP - 4 hand damage!!! With his Obf tuned up, you are looking at Sacrificial Lambs being an option (great with Spider Killer). OK, this is a pot / chi / obf deck (and lets face it, FOR is likely to be involved somewhere, as is ANI), but this has built in synergy with the eye's potential. Aside from this, I'm sure there is a "comedy deck" that could be done with the GREAT BEAST... (that's right kids, 4 Hand damage, 3 Bleed, preventing more damage than he should.... Heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's The Beast!!!). DH

"Peter Oh" <ohb...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:<Xjdi9.40924$jG2.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] I was thinking of Illiana, myself. Another option, provided every player gets an Eye in advance and is allowed to put it in their deck, is Ivan Krenyenko. Tobias Deventer

I will throw my vote in the ring for the vampire that makes the biggest nasty with the Eye of Hazimel is..... Gunther - Beast Lord ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Clan: Gangrel Capacity: 7 Camarilla Group: 1 Ability: Gunther may burn 1 blood to untap at the end of your turn Disciplines : Superior Animalism Inferior Auspex Inferior Fortitude Inferior Protean When you add the Eye of Hazimel to him he becomes Uber-Gunther, Beast Lord Cap 7 Ability:Gunther may burn 1 blood to untap at the end of the turn Disciplines Superior Animalism Superior Chimerstry Superior Potence Inferior Auspex Inferior Fortitude Inferior Protean This gives him access to POT/pro with free wolves claws for rush actions, and aus/CHI to play intercept and reduce stealth in combonation with his untap ability. Gunther is the Man! -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

XZealot wrote: > > > I will throw my vote in the ring for the vampire that makes the biggest > nasty with the Eye of Hazimel is..... > > Gunther - Beast Lord > what about omaya + Path of Feral Heart?? !gangrel cap 7 ANI AUS FOR pro (POT CHI) Prevent one damage each combat + can play read the winds > > -- > Comments Welcome, > Norman S. Brown, Jr. > XZealot > Archon of the Swamp > > > -- TzimisceLord http://myvtes.free.fr http://sabbatinfrance.free.fr

> A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which vampire would > maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to a few halfway thought > out conclusions. I´m looking at the eye cryptwise. There is one with CHI/POT vampire already, the mighty Ivan Krenyenko. There are 14 other (type 1+2) ANI/FOR vampires. These 14 would be first choise to take control the eye. Sarisha Veliku & Joaquina Amaya are nice "in clan" choises at modest capacity. When you have this giong you will have two unstoppable (saving rotscreck) combat machines. Think Carrion Crows+TS+DotB+Imposing Phantasm+IG+potence strike for maximum carnage. Week of Nightmares & Depravity are nice longterm options for even more damage. /Mathias

> what about omaya + Path of Feral Heart?? > !gangrel > cap 7 > ANI AUS FOR pro (POT CHI) > Prevent one damage each combat > + can play read the winds > I can finally play the Body of Sun for 2 blood without needind to use Dragos or Clan Impersonation! [ quoted text not captured ]

How about Cardano? Equip the Eye with Magic of the Smith (Ankara Citadel is for pussies like Etrius). Ahh...Now the big C has CHI DOM FOR POT THA + other benefits the Eye gives. Rush somebody, Torn Signpost, IG, Blood Fury, Disarm, Freak, Graverob, Freak, Bleed etc... And, by the way, the Eye of Hazimel is a nice replacement to the eye that is lost when making a Rutor's Hand :) AL

"Jay Kristoff" <j...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:Wqhi9.152548$ja.22...@twister.columbus.rr.com... > Peter Oh wrote: > > >Lazvernius: Being able to rush another vampire with a base strength of 4 > >r0x0rs. +1 bleed on him is good too of course. He can do a few cool > things > >with some of the Chimerstry cards like Nightmare Curse. Sure he already > has > >POT so that's a tad redundant. But he'd be able to put up quite a wall > with > >his AUS or Eternal Vigilance. And don't forget his FOR. He can beat the > >crap out of you, Burning Wrath you for one less blood, Freak Drive for free > >and then Bleed you for 7. > > Why could he Freak Drive for free? Eh, I dunno. Brain Fart I guess. Or maybe I thought it was play 1 less blood for *any* card. Peteo

[ quoted text not captured ] How will you have an Eye in your library? btw do not forget that there is only ONE eye for 5 players iMHO you should not assume that you will have it. [ quoted text not captured ]

I´d say Dragos cause he doesn´t pay for combat cards and CHI cards can be quite expensive. But like someone else pointed out, a Drawing out the beast and Canine Horde will destroy my Dragos deck :)

>A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which vampire would >maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to a few halfway thought >out conclusions. I was thinking about this the other day, and (though I'll obviously be playing the uber-kewl Tremere Antitribu), I thought the Eye of Hazimel would be perfect for the classic Illusions of Alexandra type deck. Give Alexandra the Eye, if you get blocked (or if you want to Bum's Rush someone), play Illusions of the Kindred to fetch another Alexandra (who can Lightning Reflexes for a whole lot of damage) and who untaps the "real" Alexandra. Of course the idea has existed for a while now, but the Eye provides the convenient CHI (though you might also want to use some skill cards just in case you don't get the eye and/or DotB is around). Similarly, didn't someone once have an amusing CHI/PRO deck using Illusions to play Body of Sun? Halcyan 2

"Peter Oh" <ohb...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:<Xjdi9.40924$jG2.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which vampire would > maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to a few halfway thought > out conclusions. My conclusion is that it will be too hard to both get the eye and use it well. First, you've got to actually bleed consistently enough that you start your turn with the Edge in order to get it. Second, you've got to have a decent sized vampire to make use of it (though POT/CHI on a weenie will certainly be useful). Third, you've got to have enough combat strength to use the Eye well (and defend yourself against the hordes of combat monsters that will try to slay you). I'm planning on an anti-metagame myself. Moderate bleed with enough Bruise that I will be able to survive the inevitable combat monsters that vainly try to capture and make use of the Eye. The Eye is not a victory condition, just a distraction, IMO. Jeff

On 19 Sep 2002, The Tzimisce Lord wrote: > AL wrote: > > How about Cardano? > How will you have an Eye in your library? There wasn't anything in the question that limited the answer to the Storyline tournament, although that's the most immediately relevant context. My answer would be Muaziz, MotS it out at +4 stealth. Built in rush at +1 stealth, can now roll out kewl POT/AUS carnage. Even if you don't bother with the POT skill, the +1 Strength will come in handy for the new-and-improved THA hand strikes. All the other Muaziz coolness follows naturally. David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 d...@petsparc.mc.duke.edu

On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, David Cherryholmes wrote: > My answer would be Muaziz, MotS it out at +4 stealth. Built in rush at > +1 stealth, can now roll out kewl POT/AUS carnage. Even if you don't > bother with the POT skill, the +1 Strength will come in handy for the > new-and-improved THA hand strikes. All the other Muaziz coolness follows > naturally. Sorry, another overly-rapid post. I blame it on this thing they keep calling "work." Anyway, I meant "POT/THA carnage", of course. Adding Ankara on top of the -1 cost for combat cards is just sick. BTW, how would that work? Divide by two, round down, subtract one? Subtract one, divide by two, round down? Anyway, it's all good. [ quoted text not captured ]

David Cherryholmes wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, David Cherryholmes wrote: > > > My answer would be Muaziz, MotS it out at +4 stealth. Built in rush at > > +1 stealth, can now roll out kewl POT/AUS carnage. Even if you don't > > bother with the POT skill, the +1 Strength will come in handy for the > > new-and-improved THA hand strikes. All the other Muaziz coolness follows > > naturally. > > Sorry, another overly-rapid post. I blame it on this thing they keep > calling "work." Anyway, I meant "POT/THA carnage", of course. Adding > Ankara on top of the -1 cost for combat cards is just sick. > > BTW, how would that work? Divide by two, round down, subtract > one? Subtract one, divide by two, round down? Anyway, it's all good. Ankara Citadel doesn't change the cost of the card. It changes how much blood the vampire pays in releation to the cost. So the Eye reduces the cost by one, and then the vampire pays half the cost. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

How about giving the Eye to the Great Beast? 5 strength, 4 bleed, 5 disciplines at superior (POT CHI plus whatever else suits your fancy), a rush, and a damage prevention. So what if he's doubly infernal?

[ quoted text not captured ] Oh yeah.. *2* built-in rushes. One from himself, one from the Eye. Freak Drive, Precognizant Mobility, or whatever... he will smash pretty hard. :)

"Peter Oh" <ohb...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in message news:<Xjdi9.40924$jG2.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > A few of us down in D.C. were thinking last night about which vampire would > maximize the power of the Eye of Hazimel. We came to a few halfway thought > out conclusions. > > Anyone else that would be good for the Eye? I think everyone knew that I was going to say this, but... Cardano ani aus cel CHI DOM FOR POT THA with the Eye, and he's still a Prince for those handy Traditions! Give him Ankara Citadel, and he can play Fists of Death/Blood Fury (for 7 total)/IG/Skin of Steel, all for free, along with everyone's favorite Govern/Perfect Clarity/Conditioning/Freak Drive at the cost of 1 blood. Sensory Dep for 1, Read the Winds for free, etc. He's like Gabrin, but *better*! (HI DAVE! HI B.J.!) Heck, he's even got all of the Ravnos disciplines now, for maximum Eye-ly goodness. Xian maybe a serious reply later...

> Give him Ankara Citadel, and he can play Fists of Death/Blood Fury > (for 7 total)/IG/Skin of Steel, all for free, along with everyone's > favorite Govern/Perfect Clarity/Conditioning/Freak Drive at the cost > of 1 blood. Sensory Dep for 1, Read the Winds for free, etc. He's > like Gabrin, but *better*! (HI DAVE! HI B.J.!) Blasphemy! Paying one for Sense. Dep? Simply passé, dahling. Clearly the best aspect of Cardano with the Eye is his newfound ability to escape Gabrin's wrath with Illusions of the Kindred. =) I'd like to say that Gabrin could use the Eye, but, frankly, he's so good that he doesn't need it. I mean, he already gets into combat whenever he'd like (Draba, Raven Spy, Ignis Fatuus, Meow), already wins in absolutely free, no-risk (Illusory) combat, *and* he can tap you as a +1 stealth D action. Where's your +1 stealth D action tap Eyed-Cardano!?!? > maybe a serious reply later... Ditto. =) BJ, The Clearly Sleep-Deprived Young Turk of Madison

> My conclusion is that it will be too hard to both get the eye and use > it well. First, you've got to actually bleed consistently enough that > you start your turn with the Edge in order to get it. Second, you've > got to have a decent sized vampire to make use of it (though POT/CHI > on a weenie will certainly be useful). Third, you've got to have > enough combat strength to use the Eye well (and defend yourself > against the hordes of combat monsters that will try to slay you). > > I'm planning on an anti-metagame myself. Moderate bleed with enough > Bruise that I will be able to survive the inevitable combat monsters > that vainly try to capture and make use of the Eye. The Eye is not a > victory condition, just a distraction, IMO. > > Jeff It's very easy: Put an Anarch Troublemaker on your life... ...an forget all those Eyes. BAsa.

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje news:20020919125929...@mb-fi.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Not exactly with body of sun, but with aggro+amaranth with the illusionary vampire. Those 9 cap PRO ravnos suit well. Also, this guy played with udead persistence+trap with the illusionary boys. Crypt has quite a few copies of basilia. Body of sun and Mythic Form should be great implements for such a nasty deck. > > Halcyan 2 Stelios

oeb...@hotmail.com (Oebadon) wrote in message news:<1c656b65.02091...@posting.google.com>... [snip Cardano + Eye = better than Gabrin] > Blasphemy! > > Paying one for Sense. Dep? Simply passé, dahling. Clearly the best > aspect of Cardano with the Eye is his newfound ability to escape > Gabrin's wrath with Illusions of the Kindred. =) Heh. Not like he needs to *escape*. > I'd like to say that Gabrin could use the Eye, but, frankly, he's so > good that he doesn't need it. I mean, he already gets into combat Yeah, it doesn't really give him much that he doesn't already have. Well, except the +1 strength and the POT. > you as a +1 stealth D action. Where's your +1 stealth D action tap > Eyed-Cardano!?!? Art's Traumatic Essence? :) Xian

oeb...@hotmail.com (Oebadon) wrote in message news:<1c656b65.02091...@posting.google.com>... > Paying one for Sense. Dep? Simply passé, dahling. Clearly the best Also note that my calculations were incorrect. Cardano would Sense Dep for 0. :) Xian

>Not exactly with body of sun, but with aggro+amaranth with the illusionary >vampire. Those 9 cap PRO ravnos suit well. Also, this guy played with udead >persistence+trap with the illusionary boys. Crypt has quite a few copies of >basilia. Body of sun and Mythic Form should be great implements for such a >nasty deck. Well, I remember someone (maybe one of the English guys) had a deck which relied on creating Illusionary vampires who then burn themselves with Body of Sun and since you can choose whether they go to the ash heap or are removed from the game, they can then do nifty things like Redeem the Lost Soul. I recall someone talking about how they brought it to a tourney but got stomped because their vampires kept getting sent to torpor (guess they were drawing the Illusions)... Halcyan 2

xb...@qwest.net (Xian) wrote in message news:<dbc1153.02092...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] The eye only reduces the cost for combat cards, so with the Ankara Citadel Cardano would pay 1 blood for Sens Dep :)

> Also note that my calculations were incorrect. Cardano would Sense Dep for 0. :) I think I'm missing something here... The Citadel would reduce Sense Dep's cost to 1, but where does the final point of reduction come from? (Assuming you're not Clan Impersonating to Ravnos with a Path.) The Eye only reduces the cost of combat cards, no? Of course, getting the Citadel isn't even a given in the first place, especially if Gabrin is behind you. <grin> BJ, Young Turk and Recipient of New Bribes Love