This seems weird, but appears to be legitimate : The situation:
Methuselah A has Thetmes, calif of Alamut and Ingrid Russo
Methuselah B has any vampire, say, for example, Lutz.
Thetmes rushes Lutz successfully with Clandestine contract, putting
contract on him and naming Thetmes. Both minions use handstrikes, Lutz
goes to torpor because of aggravated hands. Ingrid Russo plays
superior Graverobbing on Lutz. Lutz becomes controlled by methuselah
A.
Next turn, Thetmes rushes his own Lutz via Clandestine contract, sends
him to torpor and then plays Provision of silsila, refilling himself
and burning clandestine contract.
Is this legal? By cardtext it appears so, as Clandestine contract
specifies that it needs to be PUT on a minion controlled by another
methuselah, and rush part does not specify that...
Relevant texts :
Clandestine contract, 1 pool :
Contract. Requires an Assamite with a capacity above 4. +1 stealth
action. (D) Enter combat with a ready minion controlled by another
Methuselah and put this card on that minion. This Assamite is chosen
for this contract. This Assamite may enter combat with the minion with
this card as a +1 stealth (D) action.
Provision of the Silsila, Action Modifier/Reaction
This card can be played as an action modifier or a reaction card.
Usable by a tapped vampire. Only usable after a combat involving this
Assamite and an opposing minion with a contract naming this Assamite.
Only usable if the opposing minion is not ready and this Assamite is
ready. This Assamite gains enough blood from the blood bank to reach
full capacity, and the contract is burned.
Graverobbing, Action, Dominate
[dom] (D) Move a vampire from another Methuselah`s torpor area to your
own torpor area. You now control that vampire.
[DOM] (D) As above, and this acting vampire may burn 2 blood to move
the vampire into your ready region.
Thetmes, Caliph of Alamut, 10, dom pot CEL OBF QUI, Assamite,
Independent: Thetmes has 2 votes. Damage from Thetmes's hand strikes
is aggravated. (Blood Cursed)
Pendargon <pend...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Next turn, Thetmes rushes his own Lutz via Clandestine contract, sends
> him to torpor and then plays Provision of silsila, refilling himself
> and burning clandestine contract.
> Is this legal?
No.
[6.4] Combat
...Whatever caused the combat, it is important to remember that only ready
minions can participate in combat and that your minions cannot enter combat
with any of your other minions.
On Dec 16, 12:03 pm, Pendargon wrote:
> Next turn, Thetmes rushes his own Lutz via Clandestine contract, sends
> him to torpor and then plays Provision of silsila, refilling himself
> and burning clandestine contract.
> Is this legal?
No.
You can never enter combat with your own minions.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/
6.4
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On Dec 16, 6:11 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote:
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Ahhh... i missed that.
Thanx for the quick answer. Pity, though, it would be only case of
benefiting from your own minions fighting that i could thought of...
If this is in the rulebook, then why is the "controlled by another
Methusaleh" text repeated on every card that allows one minion to
enter combat with another minion, except of course the cornercase use
of Clandestine Contract? If it's in the rules already, it seems
redundant to print it every time.
It's kind of like effects that do damage out of combat; the card
always says "unpreventable." However, there are no effects that can
prevent damage outside of combat anyway, except perhaps superior
Rutor's Hand. Additional, "reminder", text like this seems redundant
but begs the question as to what would allow you to enter combat with
your own minions or prevent damage out of combat, etc., when it's
already impossible.
On Dec 17, 2:41 am, Aaron Clark <aamacl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If this is in the rulebook, then why is the "controlled by another
> Methusaleh" text repeated on every card that allows one minion to
> enter combat with another minion, except of course the cornercase use
> of Clandestine Contract? If it's in the rules already, it seems
> redundant to print it every time.
It is redundant, yes.
Redundancy doesn't hurt. It can be beneficial, and is sometimes used
when card space allows.