Heirs to the Blood

Stolen from Extrala: *** Some information on the next VtES expansion "Heirs to the Blood" can be found in Game Trade Magazine #115: Vampire: The Eternal Struggle CCG: Heirs to the Blood Expansion Power pulses in the vein! The descendants of Caine are many, and their blood is diverse. It may infuse a vampire with spiritual hunger, or stony endurance, or the maddening touch of the fae. Bloodlines arise and struggle for power against the entrenched clans. The blood will prevail. A new expansion for V:TES, "Heirs to the Blood" features 170 new cards in booster packs, with four new starter decks featuring over 24 starter-exclusive cards! The 24 new starter exclusive cards imply that the 4 new starters will contain 6 new vampires each. *** http://extrala.blogspot.com/2009/09/heirs-to-blood.html I wonder how the 170 cards will split up, as that deviates from the previous examples of 150 (50 of each rarity - presumably two of each on a 100 card sheet). -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

On Sep 2, 4:58 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > Stolen from Extrala: > *** > Some information on the next VtES expansion "Heirs to the Blood" can be > found in Game Trade Magazine #115: > > Vampire: The Eternal Struggle CCG: > Heirs to the Blood Expansion > > Power pulses in the vein! The descendants of Caine are many, and > their blood is diverse. It may infuse a vampire with spiritual > hunger, or stony endurance, or the maddening touch of the fae. The language seems to suggest focus on the Ahrimanes, the Gargoyles, and the Kiasyd. Do we now know the nature of 3 of the 4 starters? > Bloodlines arise and struggle for power against the entrenched > clans. The blood will prevail. > > A new expansion for V:TES, "Heirs to the Blood" features 170 new > cards in booster packs, with four new starter decks featuring over > 24 starter-exclusive cards! > > The 24 new starter exclusive cards imply that the 4 new starters will > contain 6 new vampires each. I cannot see that, unless they plan to add very heavily to group 3.

> > Stolen from Extrala: > > *** > > Some information on the next VtES expansion "Heirs to the Blood" can be > > found in Game Trade Magazine #115: > > > Vampire: The Eternal Struggle CCG: > > Heirs to the Blood Expansion > > > Power pulses in the vein! The descendants of Caine are many, and > > their blood is diverse. It may infuse a vampire with spiritual > > hunger, or stony endurance, or the maddening touch of the fae. > > The language seems to suggest focus on the Ahrimanes, the Gargoyles, > and the Kiasyd. Do we now know the nature of 3 of the 4 starters? Sound reasonable. > > Bloodlines arise and struggle for power against the entrenched > > clans. The blood will prevail. > > > A new expansion for V:TES, "Heirs to the Blood" features 170 new > > cards in booster packs, Does this mean, 170-cards-set ? or there are 170 new cards, in addition to reprints? > > with four new starter decks featuring over > > 24 starter-exclusive cards! > > > The 24 new starter exclusive cards imply that the 4 new starters will > > contain 6 new vampires each. > > I cannot see that, unless they plan to add very heavily to group 3. I think (or maybe "hope" is more accurate) each starter gets 6 new Vampires (2 copies each). Ahrimanes: 3 Ahrimanes, 3 Gangrel antitribu. Gargoyles: 3 Gargoyles, 3 Tremere. Kiasyd: 3 Kiasyd, 3 Lasombra.

News from vtes.de : Power Pulses in the Vein The descendants of Caine are many, and their blood is diverse. It may infuse a vampire with spiritual hunger, or stony endurance, or the maddening touch of the fae. Bloodlines arise and struggle for power against the entrenched clans. The blood will prevail. A new expansion for Vampire: The Eternal Struggle®: • 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter • 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter • 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter • 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter • contains cver 24 starter-exclusive cards

[ quoted text not captured ] So there is the missing 3rd and KoT starters. Guess WW has a plan when not releasing certain cards. Maybe they have a plan with cards like "Katana", "Powerbase: Beijing" and Robbert Pedder Ventrue Prince of Hong Kong ;)

> A new expansion for Vampire: The Eternal Struggle®: > • 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter expected and also welcome > • 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter not too surprising, and I'm happy to see the Samedi > • 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter not too surprising, but if it's actually a good deck -- that'll surprise me > • 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter ditto > • contains cver 24 starter-exclusive cards That number 24 sure does suggest that they'll follow the 2x 6 starter- only vamps plan. But then again, there are some G4 vamps that would be apt reprints. (Tangine, Cedric, Pherydima,...)

Nico wrote: > News from vtes.de : > > Power Pulses in the Vein > > The descendants of Caine are many, and their blood is diverse. It may > infuse a vampire with spiritual hunger, or stony endurance, or the > maddening touch of the fae. Bloodlines arise and struggle for power > against the entrenched clans. The blood will prevail. > > A new expansion for Vampire: The Eternal Struggle�: > � 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter > � 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter > � 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter > � 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter > � contains cver 24 starter-exclusive cards woo! two of my favourite clans! (samedi and gargoyles) -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)

Malone wrote: >> A new expansion for Vampire: The Eternal Struggle�: >> � 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter > > expected and also welcome > >> � 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter > > not too surprising, and I'm happy to see the Samedi > >> � 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter > > not too surprising, but if it's actually a good deck -- that'll > surprise me > >> � 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter > > ditto > >> � contains cver 24 starter-exclusive cards > > That number 24 sure does suggest that they'll follow the 2x 6 starter- > only vamps plan. But then again, there are some G4 vamps that would > be apt reprints. (Tangine, Cedric, Pherydima,...) > Well, but if it's Lasombra, Nos, Trem, and !Ventrue, do we need more vamps from those clans (sure, they would be great, but some people are keeping track of which clans have what vamps in which groups - won't new one's throw that out of whack?). best - chris

On Sep 7, 1:33 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote: > Malone wrote: > >> A new expansion for Vampire: The Eternal Struggle®: > >> • 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter > > > expected and also welcome > > >> • 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter > > > not too surprising, and I'm happy to see the Samedi > > >> • 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter > > > not too surprising, but if it's actually a good deck -- that'll > > surprise me > > >> • 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter > > > ditto > > >> • contains cver 24 starter-exclusive cards > > > That number 24 sure does suggest that they'll follow the 2x 6 starter- > > only vamps plan. But then again, there are some G4 vamps that would > > be apt reprints. (Tangine, Cedric, Pherydima,...) > > Well, but if it's Lasombra, Nos, Trem, and !Ventrue, do we need more > vamps from those clans (sure, they would be great, but some people are > keeping track of which clans have what vamps in which groups - won't new > one's throw that out of whack?). > > best - > > chris it's probably all those "wacko" vamps floating around with bloodline disciplines...

librarian wrote: > Well, but if it's Lasombra, Nos, Trem, and !Ventrue, do we need more > vamps from those clans (sure, they would be great, but some people are > keeping track of which clans have what vamps in which groups - won't new > one's throw that out of whack?). Depends on the group they are coming from. Groups 3+4 seem essentially complete, with each Camarilla clan having 26 to 29 members in Groups 3+4 (not counting multiple versions of the same vamp via the advanced rule). With 28 members, the Tremere are already fairly numerous. the Nosferatu have 29 members in 3+4. Most Sabbat clans have only 23 members in Group 3-4 (with some variation). The Lasombra have a full complement with 23. The ! Ventrue still have only 22. There is, however, room to add vampires to Group 5. The clans listed (Las Nos, Trem, !Ven) are about 4 to 7 members behind a full complement. Giving each clan new vamps would temporarily put them ahead for a little while ... until the next expansion.

[ quoted text not captured ] Quick stats extracted from the Secret Library from the groupings Lasombra: 2+3: 23 / 3+4: 23 / 4+5: 17 Nosferatu: 1+2: 24 / 2+3: 26 / 3+4: 30 / 4+5: 21 Tremere: 1+2: 25 / 2+3: 27 / 3+4: 28 / 4+5: 22 Ventrue antitribu: 2+3: 23 / 3+4: 22 / 4+5: 16 So all of the base clans have at least 3 slots left for group 5, no matter how you count, but their group 4 is pretty much full. Then let's take a look at the corresponding bloodlines Gargoyle: 2+3: 9 / 3+4: 3 / 4+5: 2 (plenty of room in group 4) Kiasyd: 2+3: 6 / 3+4: 5 / 4+5: 4 (1 more to group 4, 1 for group 5) Salubri antitribu: 2+3: 6 / 3+4: 5 / 4+5: 4 (1 more to group 4, 1 for group 5) Samedi: 2+3: 7 / 3+4: 5 / 4+5: 4 (1 more to group 4, 1 for group 5) Pretty much the same situation with all the other bloodlines across the board (exceptions are Gargoyles and Blood Brothers with less vampires and Baali with groups 4 and 5 filled).

Jussi Hattara <jhat...@tenerdo.org> wrote: >Then let's take a look at the corresponding bloodlines > >Gargoyle: 2+3: 9 / 3+4: 3 / 4+5: 2 (plenty of room in group 4) >Kiasyd: 2+3: 6 / 3+4: 5 / 4+5: 4 (1 more to group 4, 1 for group 5) >Salubri antitribu: 2+3: 6 / 3+4: 5 / 4+5: 4 (1 more to group 4, 1 for >group 5) >Samedi: 2+3: 7 / 3+4: 5 / 4+5: 4 (1 more to group 4, 1 for group 5) > >Pretty much the same situation with all the other bloodlines across >the board (exceptions are Gargoyles and Blood Brothers with less >vampires and Baali with groups 4 and 5 filled). One option here is to add an Advanced vampire or two. There are very few such vampires for the Bloodlines. Because of the inherent limitations on Advanced vampires (such as not being able to bring out both, separately), they don't seem to count as a wholly separate vampire. It's also possible that some of the vampires in the starter might be reprints of key vampires from the previous group. It would be perfectly feasible, for example, to have a starter that went: - 1 x reprint Lasombra A - say, Lucy Markowitz - 1 x reprint Lasbomra B - say, Virginie or Ermenegildo - 1 x reprint Kiasyd C - say, Dame Hollerton - 1 x reprint Kiasyd D - say, Omme Enberbenight - 2 x new Lasombra E (group 5) - 2 x new Advanced Kiasyd - say, an 8 cap Omme - 2 x new Kiasyd F - 2 x new Kiasyd G So you get twice as many Kiasyd cards as Lasombra. A brand new player has four-and-a-half Kiasyd to mix and match with, and 3 different Lasombra to play with. Existing players can get 4 copies of all the new vampires with only 2 starter purchases - so there's flexibility, without too much gouging. Then the other 'starter exclusive' cards would be library cards. Also, LSJ has previously indicated that he'd quite like the group pairs to be a bit smoother, so we might well see 2 vampires in group 5 rather than 1 in 4, 1 in 5. So in the above example, F and G might both be group 5. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sep 7, 10:37 am, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I am so betting on Deflection here..... > • 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter Dom > • 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter no dom > • 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter Dom > • 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter Dom. Anybody else think we will see some deflection love?

Blooded Sand wrote: > I am so betting on Deflection here..... > > • 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter > Dom > > • 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter > no dom > > • 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter > Dom > > • 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter > Dom. > > Anybody else think we will see some deflection love? Sure. There's been plenty of bitching about the lack of deflections. I'm sure the "new art" problem has been solved by now. More of a long shot: maybe a Parity Shift in the Tremere starter (I think there's room for at least one more Prince in Group 5). Also, weighted walking sticks in the !Salubri starter, please.

John Whelan wrote: > Also, weighted walking sticks in the !Salubri starter, please. And Shared Strength

[ quoted text not captured ] no! that card sucks. Martyr's Resilience! [ quoted text not captured ]

Salem wrote: > John Whelan wrote: > > John Whelan wrote: > >> Also, weighted walking sticks in the !Salubri starter, please. > > > > And Shared Strength > > no! that card sucks. Brother in Arms with Brass Knuckes Trap, Sword of the Righteous, Shared Strength, Undead Persistence. Save the Brass Knuckles for the end. > Martyr's Resilience! That's nice too.

On Sep 7, 3:38 am, John Whelan <jwjbwhe...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is, however, room to add vampires to Group 5. The clans listed > (Las Nos, Trem, !Ven) are about 4 to 7 members behind a full > complement. Giving each clan new vamps would temporarily put them > ahead for a little while ... until the next expansion. Or the other basic clans could get a few vampires in the boosters. It's a big set to be just bloodlines.

[ quoted text not captured ] Possible reprints that feel important to those of us who haven't played the game since '94, in descending order by importance: Parity Shift Shroud of Absence Blanket of Night Deflection Camarilla Vitae Slave Also possibly: Pentex Subversion Liquidation Carlton van Wyk Nephandus (though that would be very non-thematical for the set) Tupdog Govern the Unaligned Adam Esbjörnsson, Prince of Lindesberg

[ quoted text not captured ] Not obviously. Depends upon how it breaks down. 170 cards in the boosters could break down as follows: 50 Rares 50 Uncommons 50 Commons 20 Vampires Plus 24 new vampires in the boosters = 44 new vampires.

John Whelan <jwjbw...@gmail.com> writes: > Salem wrote: > > John Whelan wrote: > > > John Whelan wrote: > > >> Also, weighted walking sticks in the !Salubri starter, please. > > > > > > And Shared Strength > > > > no! that card sucks. > > Brother in Arms with Brass Knuckes > > Trap, Sword of the Righteous, Shared Strength, Undead Persistence. > > Save the Brass Knuckles for the end. A fun version of an old trick, but needlessly complicated. How about this: Any vampire at all, no equipped weapon needed. Trap, Shared Strength, Undead Persistence, Molotov Cocktail to reset the trap. Save the Molotov for the end. HG

[ quoted text not captured ] Sure. But I was trying to go with the Melee Weapons / Salubri theme. Perhaps Weighted Walking Stick again.

Malone wrote: >> A new expansion for Vampire: The Eternal Struggle�: >> � contains cver 24 starter-exclusive cards > > That number 24 sure does suggest that they'll follow the 2x 6 starter- > only vamps plan. But then again, there are some G4 vamps that would > be apt reprints. (Tangine, Cedric, Pherydima,...) I believe that information is in error. The starters do not have starter-exclusive cards this time around.

On Sep 2, 4:58 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > I wonder how the 170 cards will split up, as that deviates from the > previous examples of 150 (50 of each rarity - presumably two of each on > a 100 card sheet). Could be 50 each of Rare, Uncommon, Common +20 vampires. If there are only 20 vampires, I would guess they might break down as follows, (with 1 or 2 vampires per clan in Group 5 and the rest in Group 4): 7x Gargoyles 3x Samedi 2x Kiasyd 2x Ahrimanes 2x !Salubri 2x Daughters 2x Harbingers That (or something along those lines) would pretty-much complete the 4-5 set

Xaddam wrote: > On Sep 7, 10:40 am, John Whelan <jwjbwhe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Blooded Sand wrote: >>> I am so betting on Deflection here..... >>>> � 1x Lasombra/Kiasyd Starter >>> Dom >>>> � 1x Nosferatu/Samedi Starter >>> no dom >>>> � 1x Tremere/Gargoyles Starter >>> Dom >>>> � 1x Ventrue Antitribu/Salubri Antitribu Starter >>> Dom. >>> Anybody else think we will see some deflection love? >> Sure. There's been plenty of bitching about the lack of >> deflections. I'm sure the "new art" problem has been solved by now. >> >> More of a long shot: maybe a Parity Shift in the Tremere starter (I >> think there's room for at least one more Prince in Group 5). >> >> Also, weighted walking sticks in the !Salubri starter, please. > > Possible reprints that feel important to those of us who haven't > played the game since '94, in descending order by importance: > Parity Shift > Shroud of Absence > Blanket of Night > Deflection > Camarilla Vitae Slave > Also possibly: > Pentex Subversion > Liquidation > Carlton van Wyk > Nephandus (though that would be very non-thematical for the set) > Tupdog > Govern the Unaligned > Good list, I would move Carlton up some, probably above CVS, but otherwise I agree with all of those. best - chris

On Sep 7, 10:50 pm, John Whelan <jwjbwhe...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 2, 4:58 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > > I wonder how the 170 cards will split up, as that deviates from the > > previous examples of 150 (50 of each rarity - presumably two of each on > > a 100 card sheet). > > Could be 50 each of Rare, Uncommon, Common +20 vampires. That would be problematic. What would the booster distribution be? Does everyone end up with like 15 copies of each vampire in order to get enough of everything else, or do you only put one vampire in each booster? Since grouping was established, vampires are the one card type that can be printed freely without risk of upsetting the power curve (or the overcompensation to that risk, more wallpaper). If anything, crypt cards should make up more than 1/3 of each set, not less.

On Sep 9, 8:36 am, Malone <kffos...@indiana.edu> wrote: > On Sep 7, 10:50 pm, John Whelan <jwjbwhe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sep 2, 4:58 pm, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > > > I wonder how the 170 cards will split up, as that deviates from the > > > previous examples of 150 (50 of each rarity - presumably two of each on > > > a 100 card sheet). > > > Could be 50 each of Rare, Uncommon, Common +20 vampires. > > That would be problematic. What would the booster distribution be? > Does everyone end up with like 15 copies of each vampire in order to > get enough of everything else, or do you only put one vampire in each > booster? I see no problem with the latter solution. (Neither would I be averse to 19-card boosters, like in the good old days). > Since grouping was established, vampires are the one card type that > can be printed freely without risk of upsetting the power curve (or > the overcompensation to that risk, more wallpaper). If anything, > crypt cards should make up more than 1/3 of each set, not less. Sorry. I don't agree at all. I have no objection to them taking it slowly and cautiously when creating new sets and new cards, to ensure balance, but have no desire to have them keep churning out new groups just because they can. Anything that adds something new to the game will risk upsetting the power curve to some extent. The whole point of an expansion is to add something new to the game.

[ quoted text not captured ] > vampires and Baali with groups 4 and 5 filled).- Dölj citerad text - > > - Visa citerad text - Why are people so dead certain on these four (with the exception of the kiasyd) clans/bloodlines? Spiritual hunger could as well be Ahrimanes or Harbringers as !Sal could it not? Stony resilence just says fortitude (and stone in the case of gargoyles) so Samedi, Harbringers of Skulls, Gargoyles and !Salubri could all be viable reasons for that remark and it should/would be the the one statement that covers two starters (since pricing indicate a box of 8 starters).

Abdul alHazred <hallon...@yahoo.se> wrote: >Why are people so dead certain on these four (with the exception of >the kiasyd) clans/bloodlines? Because a distributor has announced them. http://www.vtes.de/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=410 At this stage, distributors have often been given information that allows them to decide what they want to buy. [ quoted text not captured ]