Anathema:
On Dec 15, 2000, LSJ wrote:
> In article <91e3d1$l06$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote:>> A vamp has 1 blood and Anathema is played on him. I rush him and he
>> played Majesty and pays one blood to untap. If I rush him again but
>> make no dmg I'd guess he is not burned by Anathema? What if I send>
> Correct.
If this happened, wouldn't the Anathematized vampire be burned
as soon as he paid his last blood to untap with Majesty? When
the Majesty is played (and paid for), the vampire is still in
combat, right? (From what I've read, the rule is that Anathema
burns a vampire when its blood goes from more-than-zero to zero
in combat, regardless of whether it's burning blood for damage
taken or to pay for cards the Anathematized vampire is playing.
Yes?)
Anathema cardtext:
"Choose a ready vampire. If the <referendum> is successful, put
this card on that vampire. If that vampire is reduced to zero
blood <in> combat, he or she is burned, and the Methuselah
controlling the opposing minion gains pool equal to the burned
vampire's capacity."
Toreador Grand Ball: What happens if you only control one ready
Toreador? Can you still play the card? Do you choose that one
vampire as both the first and second Toreador? If so, is it
legal to choose the same vampire as both first and second when
you do control multiple ready Toreador?
Toreador Grand Ball cardtext:
"Put this card in play. Choose two ready Toreador you control. The
first Toreador cannot be blocked unless he or she attempts to bleed.
The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase;
tap the second Toreador. This card may be burned by any minion as a
(D) action; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action."
Thanks,
Josh
wanted to go to the ball but couldn't find a partner
Joshua Duffin wrote:
> Anathema:
> On Dec 15, 2000, LSJ wrote:
> > In article <91e3d1$l06$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > cantila <rogc...@student.luth.se> wrote:
> >> A vamp has 1 blood and Anathema is played on him. I rush him and he
> >> played Majesty and pays one blood to untap. If I rush him again but
> >> make no dmg I'd guess he is not burned by Anathema? What if I send
> >
> > Correct.
>
> If this happened, wouldn't the Anathematized vampire be burned
> as soon as he paid his last blood to untap with Majesty? When
Yes.
> the Majesty is played (and paid for), the vampire is still in
> combat, right? (From what I've read, the rule is that Anathema
Yes.
> burns a vampire when its blood goes from more-than-zero to zero
> in combat, regardless of whether it's burning blood for damage
> taken or to pay for cards the Anathematized vampire is playing.
> Yes?)
Correct.
> Anathema cardtext:
>
> "Choose a ready vampire. If the <referendum> is successful, put
> this card on that vampire. If that vampire is reduced to zero
> blood <in> combat, he or she is burned, and the Methuselah
> controlling the opposing minion gains pool equal to the burned
> vampire's capacity."
>
> Toreador Grand Ball: What happens if you only control one ready
> Toreador? Can you still play the card? Do you choose that one
No.
> vampire as both the first and second Toreador? If so, is it
> legal to choose the same vampire as both first and second when
> you do control multiple ready Toreador?
Moot.
> Toreador Grand Ball cardtext:
>
> "Put this card in play. Choose two ready Toreador you control. The
> first Toreador cannot be blocked unless he or she attempts to bleed.
> The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase;
> tap the second Toreador. This card may be burned by any minion as a
> (D) action; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action."
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In message <3BE6A4E6...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vtesrep@white-
wolf.com> writes:
>> >> A vamp has 1 blood and Anathema is played on him. I rush him and he
>> >> played Majesty and pays one blood to untap. If I rush him again but
>> >> make no dmg I'd guess he is not burned by Anathema? What if I send
>> >
>> > Correct.
>>
>> If this happened, wouldn't the Anathematized vampire be burned
>> as soon as he paid his last blood to untap with Majesty? When>
>Yes.
"If the strike does something in addition to ending combat, that
something takes place just after the combat ends. [RTR 19970630] "
Surely the burn blood to untap effect, therefore, occurs outside of
combat? And cannot be counted as inside combat?
It seems unlikely that the effect is paid for inside combat but occurs
outside combat.
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James Coupe wrote:
>
> In message <3BE6A4E6...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vtesrep@white-
> wolf.com> writes:
> >> >> A vamp has 1 blood and Anathema is played on him. I rush him and he
> >> >> played Majesty and pays one blood to untap. If I rush him again but
> >> >> make no dmg I'd guess he is not burned by Anathema? What if I send
> >> >
> >> > Correct.
> >>
> >> If this happened, wouldn't the Anathematized vampire be burned
> >> as soon as he paid his last blood to untap with Majesty? When
> >
> >Yes.
>
> "If the strike does something in addition to ending combat, that
> something takes place just after the combat ends. [RTR 19970630] "
>
> Surely the burn blood to untap effect, therefore, occurs outside of
> combat? And cannot be counted as inside combat?
>
> It seems unlikely that the effect is paid for inside combat but occurs
> outside combat.
The Majestic minion burns a blood and untaps when the strike resolves.
[LSJ 26-APR-2001] [LSJ 01-MAY-2001] and, finally, "in combat but on
the RT list" for the above-noted discrepancy with the more obviously
"after CE" effects [LSJ 22-SEP-2001].
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LSJ wrote:
> James Coupe wrote:
> >
> > In message <3BE6A4E6...@white-wolf.com>, LSJ <vtesrep@white-
> > wolf.com> writes:
> > >> >> A vamp has 1 blood and Anathema is played on him. I rush him and he
> > >> >> played Majesty and pays one blood to untap. If I rush him again but
> > >> >> make no dmg I'd guess he is not burned by Anathema? What if I send
> > >> >
> > >> > Correct.
> > >>
> > >> If this happened, wouldn't the Anathematized vampire be burned
> > >> as soon as he paid his last blood to untap with Majesty? When
> > >
> > >Yes.
> >
> > "If the strike does something in addition to ending combat, that
> > something takes place just after the combat ends. [RTR 19970630] "
> >
> > Surely the burn blood to untap effect, therefore, occurs outside of
> > combat? And cannot be counted as inside combat?
> >
> > It seems unlikely that the effect is paid for inside combat but occurs
> > outside combat.
>
> The Majestic minion burns a blood and untaps when the strike resolves.
> [LSJ 26-APR-2001] [LSJ 01-MAY-2001] and, finally, "in combat but on
> the RT list" for the above-noted discrepancy with the more obviously
> "after CE" effects [LSJ 22-SEP-2001].
>
Slightly related question. My minion untaps with the help of Majesty
and after that Telepathic Tracking is played. During the next round of
combat, is my minion untapped?
Sten During
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Sten During wrote:
> [33 lines snipped]> Slightly related question. My minion untaps with the help of Majesty
> and after that Telepathic Tracking is played. During the next round of
> combat, is my minion untapped?
Yes, per the stated assumption.
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LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3BE72102...@white-wolf.com>...
> James Coupe wrote:> > "If the strike does something in addition to ending combat, that
> > something takes place just after the combat ends. [RTR 19970630] "
> >
> > Surely the burn blood to untap effect, therefore, occurs outside of
> > combat? And cannot be counted as inside combat?
> >
> > It seems unlikely that the effect is paid for inside combat but occurs
> > outside combat.
>
> The Majestic minion burns a blood and untaps when the strike resolves.
> [LSJ 26-APR-2001] [LSJ 01-MAY-2001] and, finally, "in combat but on
> the RT list" for the above-noted discrepancy with the more obviously
> "after CE" effects [LSJ 22-SEP-2001].
It hadn't occurred to me before that the untapping didn't happen when
the card was played (though it should've). Given the wording "this
vampire may burn 1 blood to untap", is the untapping at superior
optional? So the vampire can play Majesty at superior and then decide
when the strike resolves whether or not to pay the blood and untap?
(and then, can you play superior Chiropteran Marauder and decide
later in the round to pay the blood to make your hand damage
aggravated, or does it only give you the ability "while you're
playing the card"?)
(I ask because I had thought that, like Minion Tap, you had to make
all the decisions when the card was played, not realizing that it
actually sets up a slightly-later untapping effect.)
Josh
Joshua Duffin wrote:
>
> LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3BE72102...@white-wolf.com>...
> > James Coupe wrote:
>
> > > "If the strike does something in addition to ending combat, that
> > > something takes place just after the combat ends. [RTR 19970630] "
> > >
> > > Surely the burn blood to untap effect, therefore, occurs outside of
> > > combat? And cannot be counted as inside combat?
> > >
> > > It seems unlikely that the effect is paid for inside combat but occurs
> > > outside combat.
> >
> > The Majestic minion burns a blood and untaps when the strike resolves.
> > [LSJ 26-APR-2001] [LSJ 01-MAY-2001] and, finally, "in combat but on
> > the RT list" for the above-noted discrepancy with the more obviously
> > "after CE" effects [LSJ 22-SEP-2001].
>
> It hadn't occurred to me before that the untapping didn't happen when
> the card was played (though it should've). Given the wording "this
> vampire may burn 1 blood to untap", is the untapping at superior
> optional? So the vampire can play Majesty at superior and then decide
> when the strike resolves whether or not to pay the blood and untap?
Correct.
> (and then, can you play superior Chiropteran Marauder and decide
> later in the round to pay the blood to make your hand damage
> aggravated, or does it only give you the ability "while you're
> playing the card"?)
The latter.
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