(LSJ) Cave of Apples/Weigh the Heart

My prey has a two-cap vampire in play. One of my vampires successfully takes the Cave of Apples action targeting him, also playing Weigh the Heart at superior. May I take control of the two-cap vampire, or does the second corruption counter not get put into play until after Cave of Apples' change-of-control clause window is closed? John Eno Cave of Apples Master: unique location. Any Follower of Set you control may put a corruption counter on an ally or younger vampire controlled by your prey as a (D) action. If the action is successful and the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds his or her capacity or cost, you may burn those counters to gain control of him or her. Weigh the Heart Only usable as a (D) action is announced. If this action is successful, put a corruption counter on a minion controlled by the target Methuselah (after resolving the action).

Kushiel wrote: > My prey has a two-cap vampire in play. One of my vampires successfully > takes the Cave of Apples action targeting him, also playing Weigh the > Heart at superior. May I take control of the two-cap vampire, or does > the second corruption counter not get put into play until after Cave > of Apples' change-of-control clause window is closed? After resolving the Cave of Apples action. (the latter) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sep 8, 11:09 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > After resolving the Cave of Apples action. > (the latter) Groovy, that's how we ruled it. Thanks. John Eno

On Sep 8, 10:23 am, Johann von Doom <invisibleking...@gmail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] What minion was using Cave of Apples and Weigh the Heart, and was it during a tournament or a casual game? Thanks, Ira

On Sep 9, 1:12 am, Ira Fay <ira...@gmail.com> wrote: > What minion was using Cave of Apples and Weigh the Heart, Kahina the S'more-ceress and Khay'tall with a skillcard. > and was it during a tournament or a casual game? Just a casual game. Greg Williams warned us that he was going to play a really bad deck and then proved himself a man of his word. :) John Eno

On Sep 9, 1:15 pm, Johann von Doom <invisibleking...@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a casual game. Greg Williams warned us that he was going to play > a really bad deck and then proved himself a man of his word. :) > > John Eno Well, there is no need to be rude. :) I like to experiment with deck ideas and try things out, even if I know they will probably crash and burn... but I usually learn new tricks in the process. Here... you can see how bad the deck is for yourself. Who needs an ousting strategy! Though, in all fairness, Eno was testing a NAC quality deck... and I had a bad first shuffle. Not a single Eternals of Sirius in my opening draw. But I managed to steel a few vamps and fend off Eno with 5 vamps (at least until the lunge). Greg ***CRYPT*** Total Vampires 12 Average Capacity 9.50 Minimum Draw Capacity 36 Maximum Draw Capacity 40 4 Kahina the Sorceress 9 Follower of Set Ind nec pre AUS DOM OBF SER 1 vote 2 Khay'tall, Snake of Eden 9 Follower of Set Ind aus DOM PRE OBF SER 1 Kemintiri 10 Follower of Set Ind aus dom OBF PRE SER THA 1 Kemintiri (Adv) 10 Follower of Set Ind aus dom OBF PRE SER THA 2 Nefertiti 10 Follower of Set Ind cel pot DOM OBF PRE SER 2 Nehsi 10 Follower of Set Ind aus for OBF PRE PRO SER 2 votes ***LIBRARY*** 80 cards ACTIONS (3) 2 Rumors of Gehenna 1 Political Stranglehold ACTION MODS (32) 2 Cloak the Gathering 1 Domain of Evernight 2 Elder Impersonation 2 Faceless Night 2 Forgotten Labyrinth 2 Lost in Crowds 2 Spying Mission 2 Swallowed by the Night 1 Veil the Legions 1 Mask of a Thousand Faces 1 Marked Path 14 Weigh the Heart COMBAT (9) 3 Behind You! 6 Majesty MASTER (22) 11 Eternals of Sirius 4 Cave of Apples 3 Auspex 4 Villein REACTION (14) 4 Deflection 5 Telepathic Counter 2 On the Qui Vive 2 Wake 1 Redirection

Steel = steal.... I do know how to spell.... just not type, apparently.

On Sep 9, 1:31 pm, gwilli...@storageannex.com wrote: > Though, in all fairness, Eno was testing a NAC > quality deck... Eno was testing out a deck he thought might be good, but I think that one might have been a failure of concept. And Scott's deck was kind of a joke. And Humanitas got contested twice, by three different people. Weird game; dunno that you want to use it as much of a measuring stick. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] Dude, you should so spice up your crypt so you get [SER] the wierd way... Treaty your way to it. Bring out some random chumps, then start playing a Cryptic Mission deck with Cave of Apples, Weigh the Heart and Venenation... *Goes to draft up something cheesy like that*

On Sep 10, 3:31 am, gwilli...@storageannex.com wrote: > On Sep 9, 1:15 pm, Johann von Doom <invisibleking...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Just a casual game. Greg Williams warned us that he was going to play > > a really bad deck and then proved himself a man of his word. :) > > > John Eno > > Well, there is no need to be rude. :) > > I like to experiment with deck ideas and try things out, even if I > know they will probably crash and burn... but I usually learn new > tricks in the process. > > Here... you can see how bad the deck is for yourself. Who needs an > ousting strategy! Though, in all fairness, Eno was testing a NAC > quality deck... and I had a bad first shuffle. Not a single Eternals > of Sirius in my opening draw. But I managed to steel a few vamps and > fend off Eno with 5 vamps (at least until the lunge). > > Greg Greg, This is untested and purely "on paper" deck at the moment. I have tried to avoid those stupidly rare cards that many people don't seem to have many of... (my collection is also weak in the original Indie stuff). But here it is... The Cryptic Treaty Crypt (11 vampires) Capacity min: 3 max: 8 average: 6.81818 ------------------------------------------------------------ 4x Sundervere, The De 8 AUS PRE SER THA obf Follower :4 2x Carna, The Princes 7 AUS DOM THA primogen Tremere:3 2x Virstania, The Gre 7 AUS THA dom pre vic Tremere:3 2x Eugenio Estevez 6 AUS THA dom for Tremere:3 1x Martin Franckel 3 AUS tha Tremere:3 Library (90 cards) ------------------------------------------------------------ Action (16) 8x Cryptic Mission 8x Temptation Action Modifier (26) 8x Mirror Walk 6x Revelation of Desire 6x Venenation 6x Weigh the Heart Combat (16) 4x Cobra Fangs 4x Read Intentions 8x Theft of Vitae Master (16) 2x Cave of Apples 2x Heidelberg Castle, Germany 2x Specialization 6x Treaty of Laibach 4x Tribute to the Master Reaction (16) 6x Ecstasy 4x Telepathic Counter 6x Telepathic Misdirection

Juggernaut1981 <brassc...@gmail.com> writes: [ quoted text not captured ] You have one minion, and one minion only, who can use Cave of Apples. And he's an 8-cap. Sounds pretty inefficient to me. Love the Tremere + Treaty + Weigh the Heart angle, though. Cave of Apples [LotN:R] Cardtype: Master Clan: Follower of Set Cost: 3 pool Master: unique location. Any Follower of Set you control may put a corruption counter on an ally or younger vampire controlled by your prey as a (D) action. If the action is successful and the number of your corruption counters on the minion equals or exceeds his or her capacity or cost, you may burn those counters to gain control of him or her. HG

On Sep 10, 2:35 am, h...@iki.fi (Janne Hägglund) wrote: > You have one minion, and one minion only, who can use Cave of Apples. And > he's an 8-cap. Sounds pretty inefficient to me. Also, trying to mix Cave/Weigh and blood denial/Temptation is probably trying to do too much. One or the other is work enough. John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] I was expecting to see some other corruption actions and snake drive (truth of a thousand lies) so that a fattie could put into play more than 2 corruption counters a turn. At 2 or less it would be cheaper to swarm corrupt. I've tried Weigh the Heart several times on paper, but have never written up a deck that I wanted to spend the time to build and actually play. I feel it has potential, but not enough vamps to do anything with it. Good luck. Later, ~Rehlow