(LSJ) Sonja Blue vs On the Qui Vive

Hello :) Here's this week's question : If Sonja Blue wants to block as an ally, and plays On the Qui Vive; will she untap "as normal" during my next untap phase ? I suppose she does not, because OtqV's "If this minion is an ally, he or she does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase" is somehow resolved when the card is played, and not during the untap phase (where she would have returned to Vampire life", so her "allyness" would be checked when the card is played, and not during the untap phase. I'm sure some could argue that a present tense is used in "does not untap" form, instead of a future tense ("will not untap"), but all I want to know it the answer ;-) Relevant cardtexts : Sonja Blue She may block as an ally (but remains a vampire in combat). On the Qui Vive Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. If this minion is an ally, he or she does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase. A minion may play only one On the Qui Vive between his or her untap phases.

floppyzedolfin wrote: > Hello :) > > Here's this week's question : > If Sonja Blue wants to block as an ally, and plays On the Qui Vive; > will she untap "as normal" during my next untap phase ? Yes. She plays OtQV as the vampire she is. > I suppose she does not, because OtqV's "If this minion is an ally, he > or she does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase" is > somehow resolved when the card is played, and not during the untap > phase (where she would have returned to Vampire life", so her > "allyness" would be checked when the card is played, and not during > the untap phase. She never turns into an ally. She merely can block as if she were an ally. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > floppyzedolfin wrote: >> Hello :) >> >> Here's this week's question : >> If Sonja Blue wants to block as an ally, and plays On the Qui Vive; >> will she untap "as normal" during my next untap phase ? > > Yes. She plays OtQV as the vampire she is. > Hypothetically: If the card-text of a reaction-card refers to blocking, and said text discerns between types of minions (ie vampire/ally), is that text carried forward when Sonja Blue attempts to block (and choses whether to block as a vampire or an ally). Sten ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[ quoted text not captured ] Given that Sonja can play WWEF as a vampire and still block as an ally, there's no reason to think that any hypothetical distinguishing card can't be played as a vampire too. I'm pretty sure Sonja's text is just the ability to block DtD and other vampires-can't-block type effects - she couldn't play an ally- only wake-type effect if there were one. It doesn't say block or play reaction cards as an ally, just block as an ally. -witness1

[ quoted text not captured ] Hm, so that would mean that, if she wanted to attemp to block as an ally, and played On the Qui Vive, then Approximation of Loyalty sup' could be played to cancel OtqV. Why not :)

floppyzedolfin wrote: > Hm, so that would mean that, if she wanted to attemp to block as an > ally, and played On the Qui Vive, then Approximation of Loyalty sup' > could be played to cancel OtqV. Why not :) Sure, unless she has a couple of Discipline cards or otherwise has a capacity of 7 or more. Blocking as an ally doesn't enter into that, however. She plays OtQV as the vampire she is. And it can be canceled as such.

[ quoted text not captured ] Would Sonja Blue be able to block due to her special if both Daring the Dawn and Eyes of the Serpent are modifying the current action? Cheers, Dai

[ quoted text not captured ] How would she block? As a vampire or as an ally?

On May 3, 2:27 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] > How would she block? As a vampire or as an ally?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'll take that as an official answer then:D But you know from a logical standpoint: Sonja is able to block actions that are modified by Daring the Dawn because of her special ability... as some pointed out it seems like the most obvious intent of her ability. Sonja is also likewise able to block actions modified by Eyes of the Serpent because she's a vampire. If the rules logic is that these two events are independent, it would conclude that she would be able to block, since she "defeats" each modifier separately, not together. The question becomes whether if the modifiers should be interpreted independently or together. Should all modifiers be interpreted together, or is it a case by case thing? Obviously some modifiers "stack" together, but there isn't anything in the wording of either Daring the Dawn or Eyes of the Serpent to imply that they "stack" with each other. Cheers, Dai

On Fri, 2 May 2008, jiazhou...@gmail.com wrote: >> How would she block? As a vampire or as an ally?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I'll take that as an official answer then:D > > But you know from a logical standpoint: > > Sonja is able to block actions that are modified by Daring the Dawn > because of her special ability... as some pointed out it seems like > the most obvious intent of her ability. > > Sonja is also likewise able to block actions modified by Eyes of the > Serpent because she's a vampire. > > If the rules logic is that these two events are independent, it would > conclude that she would be able to block, since she "defeats" each > modifier separately, not together. The question becomes whether if the > modifiers should be interpreted independently or together. > > Should all modifiers be interpreted together, or is it a case by case > thing? Obviously some modifiers "stack" together, but there isn't > anything in the wording of either Daring the Dawn or Eyes of the > Serpent to imply that they "stack" with each other. You're looking at it the wrong way. Sonja either blocks as a vampire or as an ally, not both or neither. If she's blocking as a vampire, then she can block the Eyes of the Serpent action, but not the Daring the Dawn action. If she's blocking as an ally, the opposite is true. I imagine the controller of Sonja makes the choice at the appropriate time (since she "may block as an ally"). In other words, she can't block an action that is modified by both Eyes of the Serpent and Daring the Dawn. Go nuts with your crazy deck! I would also assume that she can choose not to block as an ally. Say, for example, a bleed is modified by Daring the Dawn, she could choose to be a vampire blocker, fail to block and Deflect it, although she was attempting to block before DTD was played. Is that right or would her controller have to declare her attempt to block as a vampire ahead of time? This of course begs the question of whether Sonja could change her mind and start blocking as an ally in the event the bleed is bounced back to her controller. Matt Morgan

Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > I would also assume that she can choose not to block as an ally. Say, Of course. Blocking is optional. She may choose not to block. She may choose to block (as the vampire she is). Or she can use her special and attempt to block as an ally could. > for example, a bleed is modified by Daring the Dawn, she could choose to > be a vampire blocker, fail to block and Deflect it, although she was > attempting to block before DTD was played. Assuming she hadn't invoked her special prior to the DtD, yeah. > Is that right or would her > controller have to declare her attempt to block as a vampire ahead of > time? This of course begs the question of whether Sonja could change > her mind and start blocking as an ally in the event the bleed is bounced > back to her controller. Bounce always resets the block window.