Referendum Q

I'd like to know how the vote counting during a referendum exactly happens during official games: Do players first declare the vote coming from their ready vampires and then play the (eventual) political cards (and Edge) to gain extra votes or it can be done in any order? Is it possible to declare votes from your vampires, wait to see what other players do and then play the eventual vote from a political card or shall you play all your votes in a single declaration? And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? Thank you. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

>And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? Yeah, I'm also curious about this. To expand it, how do cards like Charming Lobby, Cryptic Rider, and Malkavian Rider Clause work? If the vote is automatically successful, do you still even cast votes? Or do you just skip that step? Halcyan 2

In article <20001030182729...@ng-ch1.aol.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] (Refering to the referendum after playing a succesful Charming Lobby, Cryptic Rider, or Malkavian Rider Clause) The referendum automatically passes. There is no counting votes. Also, since there is no counting of votes Voter Captivation may not be played. Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp [ quoted text not captured ]

guntherbl <gunt...@my-deja.com> wrote: > I'd like to know how the vote counting during a referendum exactly > happens during official games: > Do players first declare the vote coming from their ready vampires and > then play the (eventual) political cards (and Edge) to gain extra > votes or it can be done in any order? Any order. > Is it possible to declare votes from your vampires, wait to see what > other players do and then play the eventual vote from a political card > or shall you play all your votes in a single declaration? Wait and see is fine. > And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? Play the card, tap the acting vampire, announce the referendum to be called (by name). If unblocked, play the political action card (if any) required for the referendum, conduct the referendum. If it passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire (on any turn, by any Methuselah) passes automatically. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

>> And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? > >Play the card, tap the acting vampire, announce the referendum >to be called (by name). We had a situation recently where someone played Charming Lobby with no possible referendum to call, that is no political action in hand and no card in play which allowed for a political action. Is this legal - playing CL in the first place? If so, should one assume that if there is no referendum to name that no referendum is named? IOW, you don't name something you don't have?

cur...@aol.com (Ian Lee) wrote: > >> And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? > >Play the card, tap the acting vampire, announce the referendum > >to be called (by name). > > We had a situation recently where someone played Charming Lobby with > no possible referendum to call, that is no political action in hand > and no card in play which allowed for a political action. > > Is this legal - playing CL in the first place? No. You cannot play a card that chooses/names/targets/selects something when the appropriate target doesn't exist. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:38:22 GMT, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> said: LSJ> cur...@aol.com (Ian Lee) wrote: >> >> And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? >> >Play the card, tap the acting vampire, announce the referendum >> >to be called (by name). >> >> We had a situation recently where someone played Charming Lobby with >> no possible referendum to call, that is no political action in hand >> and no card in play which allowed for a political action. >> >> Is this legal - playing CL in the first place? LSJ> No. You cannot play a card that chooses/names/targets/selects LSJ> something when the appropriate target doesn't exist. While we're on the subject, one thing I'm not 100% sure on: can you call a vote that affects something that isn't in play (Peace Treaty with no weapons, for example)? The votes that clearly say "choose X" are afaik prohibited when X isn't available, but what about more general effects? //Petri

Petri Wessman wrote: > LSJ> No. You cannot play a card that chooses/names/targets/selects > LSJ> something when the appropriate target doesn't exist. > > While we're on the subject, one thing I'm not 100% sure on: can you > call a vote that affects something that isn't in play (Peace > Treaty with no weapons, for example)? The votes that clearly say > "choose X" are afaik prohibited when X isn't available, but what about > more general effects? "Burn all X" should be satisfied even if "all X" is none, so you should be able to call Peace Treaty even if there are no weapons in play. I'll put this on the list for RT review. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. [ quoted text not captured ]

> > > And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? > > Play the card, tap the acting vampire, announce the referendum > to be called (by name). > > If unblocked, play the political action card (if any) required > for the referendum, conduct the referendum. > > If it passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire > (on any turn, by any Methuselah) passes automatically. > Hey, Mr LSJ ! I don't understand ! I play Charming lobby, my second referndum gets intercepted. If I'm not able to call a referendum during my turn, then my prey will benefit the "referendum passes automatically" effect to, says, burn my Elysium ? something sounds wrong !! reyda

[ quoted text not captured ] You've got it - nothing wrong there. [RTR 09-NOV-1994]: Charming Lobby: Allows the next vote to pass automatically, regardless of what the vote is for, or who calls the vote. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8tp4ll$p8p$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > "Reyda" <re...@noos.fr> wrote: > > > > And how does the "Charming Lobby" action exactly works? > > > > > > Play the card, tap the acting vampire, announce the referendum > > > to be called (by name). > > > > > > If unblocked, play the political action card (if any) required > > > for the referendum, conduct the referendum. > > > > > > If it passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire > > > (on any turn, by any Methuselah) passes automatically. > > > > Hey, Mr LSJ ! I don't understand ! I play Charming lobby, my second > > referndum gets intercepted. If I'm not able to call a referendum > > during my turn, then my prey will benefit the "referendum passes > > automatically" effect to, says, burn my Elysium ? something sounds > > wrong !! > > You've got it - nothing wrong there. > > [RTR 09-NOV-1994]: > Charming Lobby: > Allows the next vote to pass automatically, regardless > of what the vote is for, or who calls the vote. > But bloodhunts aren't included are they? (TOM 19950921) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, cantila wrote: > > [RTR 09-NOV-1994]: > > Charming Lobby: > > Allows the next vote to pass automatically, regardless > > of what the vote is for, or who calls the vote. > > > > But bloodhunts aren't included are they? (TOM 19950921) No, because by the terminology we use, Blood Hunts are a referendum, not a vote (which tends to be synonymous with Political Action now). -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin with him and the way he makes me feel?"

cantila wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > > If it passes, then the next referendum called by any vampire > > > > (on any turn, by any Methuselah) passes automatically. > > But bloodhunts aren't included are they? (TOM 19950921) ? You seem to have the answer already. Blood Hunts are not called "by a vampire", so do not qualify for Charming Lobby's effect. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. [ quoted text not captured ]