Official VEKN Followers of Set Newsletter -- January 2004

FOLLOWERS OF SET NEWSLETTER Volume 3, Issue 10 January 2004 Author: Andrew 'Wes' Weston ========================================================== TABLE OF CONTENTS Introduction Fiction - The Hunger Card Analysis - Consignment to Duat Second Glance - High Museum of Atlanta Contest Sign Off ========================================================== INTRODUCTION Welcome to 2004. I invite you all to join me and make a resolution to play more V:tES. Keep the game alive. I also resolve to play more Setite decks, especially at tournaments. We should be at the top of the game, rather than the *ten* piddly wins we have so far. What are we... Gargoyles? No! We are the orignal clan! All clans are descended from us! We should rule the night! Onwards to corruption for corruption's sake! My other resolution is to drink less coffee. ========================================================== FICTION -- The Hunger Jeffrey looked to both ends of the grabage-strewn alley before throwing the desiccated husk of his prey into a dumpster. Although he certainly didn't like the idea of being discovered by cops, he liked even less the possibility of being discovered by the local Brujah Sherriff. It was considered a great crime in the Camarilla to break the "Masquerade" and while dead homeless were hardly rare this time of year, dead homeless drained of all of their blood might cause a stir among the mortal population. Nevertheless, Jeffrey felt compelled to hunt. A week ago, a quick "kiss" stolen from a bar-crowd reveller was enough to keep him going for days. She'd wake up with nothing more than a hangover at worst and nobody would be the wiser. Most of the time, his victims wouldn't even remember that they had ever met Jeffrey, a talent which he had cultivated with the help of his clan's disciplines. But tonight he had met a strange vampire in his usual danceclub haunt. She had barely hidden the fact that she was a vampire, baring pointed canines when she smiled cruelly at Jeffrey from a dark booth. Jeffrey didn't recognize her, and that was reason enough for him to flee. Probably an Anarch, or more dangerously, she could belong to the Sabbat. Jeffrey had no intention of finding out. He had fled out the backdoor of the bar while pretending to go to the bathroom. But somehow she had been waiting for him out back. The rest was a bit of a blur. Jeffrey remembered her raising her hands and chanting words that sounded... Arabic? No, older sounding. Suddenly, Jeffrey had felt drained, and he collapsed to the ground in shock. This would kill a mortal, but for a vampire it only caused severe hunger. A severe hunger that must be sated at all costs. But by the time he had recovered and looked around for the strange vampire, she was gone. So he had grabbed the nearest source of blood he could find. And now that victim lay twisted in a dumpster amidst the refuse and the filth. For the first time since he had become a vampire almost a year ago, he had killed a man. It surprised Jeffrey how little this fact bothered him. Already, he was finding it easy to justify his actions, rationalize what he had done. He knew that he would hide what he had done from other vampires, would deny that he had even encountered the strange woman. It was for the best. The elder vampires were not exactly an understanding bunch. As he brushed himself down, he felt something odd. Despite the amount of blood he had taken, he still felt hungry. This should not be the case. He should be able to last nights without needing to hunt again. His stomach and insides felt cramped, and he felt the blood rage coming back into him again. Initial dread was replaced by cold hard predator logic as the hunger for blood returned full-force. He knew that he would kill again tonight. He knew that he would keep killing until someone stopped him. He knew that the Sherriff would hunt him down and destroy him. And part of him didn't care. The hunger was all that mattered. ========================================================== CARD ANALYSIS -- Consignment to Duat Consignment to Duat Action 1 blood Common [ser] (D) steal 1 blood or life from a ready minion. [SER] (D) Put this card on a ready minion. During this minion's untap phase, he or she burns 1 blood or life. If this vampire cannot burn a blood, he or she goes to torpor. Burn this card if this acting vampire enters combat or leaves the ready region. A minion can have only one Consignment to Duat. Of all the clans, I think we Followers of Set are best at denying vampires their blood. The de facto Setite vote card Free States Rant, Extortion, Ecstacy along with lesser used cards such as Thrones Crumble and Tongue of the Serpent. We are also the clan most suited to taking advantage of anemic vampires with cards like Form of Corruption, Temptation and the aforementioned Extortion. Setites also have access to the same lovely cards that everyone has access to, such as Society of Leopold, Gregory Winter and Banishment, but because of the cards mentioned in the previous paragraph, we are able to reap the benefits much moreso than other clans. A Banishment will hurt any Methuselah, but a Banishment on a vampire who has been Free States Ranted will hurt much more so. Consignment to Duat gives us yet another way to deny vampires their blood, and this is not unwelcome. A consignment of Duat will put a 1-blood vampire into a hunting loop, which often is enough to give us the edge in a tight game. A vampire that is forced to hunt each turn is a vampire that is not bleeding, not calling votes, not blocking. And in the case on this particular hunting loop, if they lose 1 more blood, they'll likely go torpor which is where they will probably stay. The inferior of Consignment to Duat is, frankly, not that impressive. I would advise against playing at inferior if possible. Without a Path of Typhon in play, the card basically reads "Remove 1 blood from a target vampire at 0 stealth" -- not exactly frightening. You gain 1 blood, but it also costs you 1 blood to do it. However, with a Path in play, the inferior is similar to Cryptic Mission and could bring some needed bloat when combined with Blood Dolls etc. Like many Setite/Serpentis cards, Consignment to Duat has no inherent stealth. Many players complain about this, and I agree that it makes things much harder. But I think that stealth is just something that most Setite players need to accept as a component and therefore, stealthing by a bleed or stealthing by a Consignment, or stealthing by a Temptation... at least we'll probably be prepared beforehand. Almost all of my Setite decks have a lot of stealth, probably almost as many as your average Malkavian Stealth-Bleed deck would have. It is at the superior where Consignment to Duat really shines. This is an action that people will definitely want to block. Any intelligent player will see that a Consignment at the wrong time will slow down their deck if not cripple it altogether. An obvious strategy to use this card with is to lower the blood on opposing vampires in order to use another effect. For example, when you have a Form of Corruption in play, you can lower their blood to the point where they come within reach of FoC's steal clause. Similar tactics could be used with Temptation to make sure they are always available for your use each turn. After all, a vampire with 10 blood makes a terrible target for a Temptation. However, a vampire who always has 1 blood essentially belongs to *you*. With Form of Corruption, a hunting loop will obviously leave a vampire at 1 blood by the time it gets to your untap phase, so it would probably help to have at least 1 counter on the card. You also want to be sure that a stolen vampire doesn't have the Consignment to Duat on it at the point when you acquire it. This can be remedied by entering combat with the vampire that played it and then Majestying away. This could be risky of course, but the option is there. Certain environments will be harsh for this card. A combat-heavy game may mean that it is not worth playing at the superior level. If you can't guarantee that your vampire will escape combat, think first before taking the action as the card may be burned soon thereafter. Similarly, watch out for hostile Banishments. ========================================================== SECOND GLANCE -- High Musem of Atlanta High Musem of Atlanta Unique location Rare Gain 4 pool when you put this card into play or gain control of it. Any vampire can steal this location for his or her controller as a (D) action. Burn 4 pool when you lose control of the High Museum (including when it is burned or becomes contested). Seems simple enough, right? But let's look at this card from a different perspective. Your prey is getting close to ousting your grandprey. You don't have any ways to stop it. You resign yourself to accepting the fact that your prey is going to quickly gain 6 pool and become even harder to oust. How often has this happened to you? High Museum of Atlanta can be used to give a friendly Methuslah across the table a chance to survive a round. Invite your grandprey to take an action to take the Museum from you. The sudden gain of 4 pool means that their predator will either have to steal the Museum for themselves or do 4 more pool's worth of damage. At the very least, this may keep your grandprey in the game for a little bit longer, which to my mind is never a bad thing. The fact that you also benefit from this pool cushion for a short while is nothing to sneeze at. Granted, it is a simple matter for many decks to steal it, or less likely burn it... but where does that leave you really? At worst you are exactly where you started. If possible, don't *rely* on the 4 pool given to you by this card. In fact, don't even think of it as yours. When I play this card, I put the 4 pool I gain on the card itself, so I keep in mind that I have a possible weakness to exploit. Although this is a Follower of Set newsletter, I must admit that Setites are probably the least likely of all clans to be built around walling up and blocking, so this particular segment of the newsletter is not well-suited for us. Nevertheless, when looked at as a grandprey-saving device, it can really be used by anyone. Just be careful that the wrong Methuselah doesn't end up with this card instead of you. Though in that department at least, it's much easier for Setites to steal it back. ========================================================== CONTEST Haven't there been enough contests in the past month? Go do a crossword or something. ========================================================== SIGN OFF I hope you have enjoyed this most recent installment of the Followers of Set newsletter. As always, questions and comments are appreciated. Cheers, WES

Neato! Good job Wes. > FICTION -- The Hunger > One of the better ones, probably cos "flash fiction" usually works best with a small cast of characters. > > ========================================================== > CARD ANALYSIS -- Consignment to Duat > > Of all the clans, I think we Followers of Set are best at denying > vampires their blood. The de facto Setite vote card Free States Rant, > Extortion, Ecstacy along with lesser used cards such as Thrones Crumble > and Tongue of the Serpent. We are also the clan most suited to taking > advantage of anemic vampires with cards like Form of Corruption, > Temptation and the aforementioned Extortion. > Worth considering is how tricky most of these options are! I tend to ramble, so I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader... I'll just note that I've barely seen any of these cards played, mainly Ecstacy. > Setites also have access to the same lovely cards that everyone has > access to, such as Society of Leopold, Gregory Winter and Banishment, Yum yum yum! > Certain environments will be harsh for this card. A combat-heavy game > may mean that it is not worth playing at the superior level. If you > can't guarantee that your vampire will escape combat, think first before > taking the action as the card may be burned soon thereafter. Similarly, > watch out for hostile Banishments. Yeah, I'm down on this card precisely cos I do see a fair bit of combat, and it tends to be fairly intensive, big capacity, big combo exterminate-exterminate-exterminate (said in Dalek voice, of course) combat. I'm still waiting to see how the new set changes the local and broad metagames, WRT combat intensiveness... and also how local player fluctuations work out. > > I hope you have enjoyed this most recent installment of the Followers of > Set newsletter. As always, questions and comments are appreciated. > Here goes: How about a getting together a bunch of the blood hosing allies and actions in one deck? I'm thinking of a mix of small FoS, + 3 Guido (5 cap Lasombra with obf) and 2 Aaron (2 cap Lasombra) Use Summon the Serpent to get Hesha then Dedefra. Make Guido your first Anarch, to give him something to do... the idea is that he and Hesha can hunt for a boatload - Hesha's special, Hospital Food + Anarch Free Press = 2 vamps gaining 5 blood per turn. Use Free States Rant (which even Guido can call if he has gone Anarch) + Gregory Winter to wear down your Famous prey, and Abyssal Hunters or Consignment to Duat or Shadow Twin to finish the job. Anam the Devourer and Shambling Hordes sit around to block anyone who rushes your Consigner. Anam and Gregory also have their secondary "muncher" roles, of course. It's lotsa moving parts, but many of them are permanent, so it wouldn't be a stupidly huge module. Plus most of the cards are general use / cycle fairly easily... - you can happily play most of them, even if it's the only piece of the module you have so far. In 35 cards it could be: 5 Summon the Serpent 5 Ways to become Anarch 5 Free States Rant 3 Consignment to Duat 3 Fame 3 Abyssal Hunter (might only recruit 1 or 2 - extras provide Horde Fodder) 3 Shambling Hordes 2 Anam the Devourer (extra copy to provide Horde Fodder) 2 Gregory Winter (extra copy to provide Horde Fodder) 2 Shadow Twin Hospital Food Anarch Free Press ...leaving space for other master cards (blood dolls, Opium Den), prayer cards (Humanitas, ally stealing), and the oodles of stealth needed put it all together. You could make it smaller by dropping the Summon the Serpent / Hordes angle, or make it bigger with more rants and vote modifiers. Blood dolls, big hunts back-ranting and block-y allies could give you enough time to get everything assembled. And yes, the Assimites probably mix better with FoS with cheap obf, and they could bring Ghouls of thingy Plaza + Foul Blood to the party, but a) I guess I'm just itching to use my Abyssal Hunters in *something* and b) Someone else can write up that idea :-) Enough drivel. Bye!

I just made a deck with 3 dedefra, 2 sarrazine, 3 hesha and smaller setite.. The idea is 1/ gain a max of blood with hesha minion tap/unlicensed cab hunt, life in the city 2/ i have in the deck 5 temptation, 2 form of corruption and 3 puppeter (with 4 shroud and few cloack of the gatherine) to control the vamp of other player 3/ having a couple of ally on the table to rush the vamp which are tempted (5 shambling, 2 aman) 4/reduce the bleed against you (I will post it tomorrow) I played it once and I had lot of fun.... everybody was looking at me recruting and growing then I decide to make my first move and I clean the table. I was lucky because my prey didn't have lots of intercept, and my weenie pot predator was too busy with is own predator to look at me. I will try it again this evening! the only prob is a rush deck which will destroy my vamp before I can do anything. I place some behind you and zipgun for combat protection but i am not sure it is the best way.

do someone know if it was once a newsletter with dedefra as vampire of the month ? and with a deck ser/nec/obf ?

"cure" <cu...@caramail.com> wrote in message news:64a19912.04010...@posting.google.com... > do someone know if it was once a newsletter with dedefra as vampire of > the month ? and with a deck ser/nec/obf ? None of mine have featured Dedefra. There were two FoS editors before I started writing them however. Cheers, WES

[ quoted text not captured ] None of the FoS newsletters archived on the Lasombra's site feature Dedefra as a card of the moment. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

On 5 Jan 2004 07:26:23 -0800, cu...@caramail.com (cure) scrawled: >do someone know if it was once a newsletter with dedefra as vampire of >the month ? and with a deck ser/nec/obf ? i made a deck called "Zombies in the Temple", or something. I think it got renamed a bit. Used setites with nec. http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/decks/zombies_in_the_temple.htm I seem to recall it became a much better deck after the removal of the Grand Temples of Set. But then, everybody could have guessed that anyway, right? :D salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

"Hollowboy" <icantbelievehollow...@hotmail.com> wrote > Neato! Good job Wes. Thanks! > > FICTION -- The Hunger > > > One of the better ones, probably cos "flash fiction" usually works > best with a small cast of characters. Yeah, there's only so much you can do with eight ot nine paragraphs. Often ends up as more of a precis than an actual story. I'm glad you liked it though. > > CARD ANALYSIS -- Consignment to Duat > > > > Of all the clans, I think we Followers of Set are best at denying > > vampires their blood. The de facto Setite vote card Free States Rant, > > Extortion, Ecstacy along with lesser used cards such as Thrones Crumble > > and Tongue of the Serpent. We are also the clan most suited to taking > > advantage of anemic vampires with cards like Form of Corruption, > > Temptation and the aforementioned Extortion. > > > Worth considering is how tricky most of these options are! > > I tend to ramble, so I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader... > I'll just note that I've barely seen any of these cards played, mainly > Ecstacy. If a deck focuses on blood denial, these cards are better than if they are just being splashed. Ecstasy isn't fantastic, I agree. I don't think I've ever played it come to think of it. Most of my Setites are doing some kind of action every turn, so it just doesn't seem worth it to wake and reduce a bleed by 1. That's two cards that could've been Temptations or whatever. I have a fairly robust deck right now based around Extortion using Nadima. It does *very* well, although not last weekend when I didn't draw a single Nadima. They were all clumped at the bottom of my crypt. Go figure. You don't see a lot of Free States Rant? That card is nasty. If your playgroup isn't used to seeing it, I suggest you take advantage of it immediately! :) > Yeah, I'm down on this card precisely cos I do see a fair bit of > combat, and it tends to be fairly intensive, big capacity, big combo > exterminate-exterminate-exterminate (said in Dalek voice, of course) > combat. My playgroup plays very little combat at the moment. And a lot of the combat is frankly not all that scary. We have a lot of new players, and they like combat but don't own a lot of cards... so I'm usually getting thwacked by a 44 Magnum that I donated to them when they started playing. Ah well, what can you do? > I'm still waiting to see how the new set changes the local and broad > metagames, WRT combat intensiveness... and also how local player > fluctuations work out. I'm the only one in my group playing with any Black Hand right now if that helps. I've been trying to test-drive a lot of the new cards, even though a lot of them look better on paper than they really are. I don't understand the animosity towards Corporal Reservoir though. It's like a pumped-up Life in the City, that moonlights as a Leather Jacket, more or less. > Make Guido your first Anarch, to give him something to do... the idea > is that he and Hesha can hunt for a boatload - Hesha's special, > Hospital Food + Anarch Free Press = 2 vamps gaining 5 blood per turn. > Use Free States Rant (which even Guido can call if he has gone Anarch) > + Gregory Winter to wear down your Famous prey, and Abyssal Hunters or > Consignment to Duat or Shadow Twin to finish the job. Abyssal Hunters are a lot of fun. I made a Lasombra deck with 8 of them. It's pretty good I think. I may post it here when I feel motivated. Free States Rant requires an *independent* vampire, rather than an Anarch... so you could just leave the Setites as is. You could also use Lucita if you insist on playing FSR and Abyssals, though her disciplines are not going to mesh too much with any FoS deck I've ever seen. > 5 Summon the Serpent > 5 Ways to become Anarch > 5 Free States Rant > 3 Consignment to Duat > 3 Fame > 3 Abyssal Hunter (might only recruit 1 or 2 - extras provide Horde > Fodder) > 3 Shambling Hordes > 2 Anam the Devourer (extra copy to provide Horde Fodder) > 2 Gregory Winter (extra copy to provide Horde Fodder) > 2 Shadow Twin > Hospital Food > Anarch Free Press The Anarchs angle seems unnecessary really. Hesha is a better hunter as an Anarch, but he's also good with an Feeding Razor and Inbase. Since you're already spread a little thin, I would remove the anarchs angle altogether. > ...leaving space for other master cards (blood dolls, Opium Den), > prayer cards (Humanitas, ally stealing), and the oodles of stealth > needed put it all together. > > You could make it smaller by dropping the Summon the Serpent / Hordes > angle, or make it bigger with more rants and vote modifiers. > > Blood dolls, big hunts back-ranting and block-y allies could give you > enough time to get everything assembled. > > And yes, the Assimites probably mix better with FoS with cheap obf, > and they could bring Ghouls of thingy Plaza + Foul Blood to the party, > but a) I guess I'm just itching to use my Abyssal Hunters in > *something* and b) Someone else can write up that idea :-) I dunno. Your idea sounds like most of my deck ideas. Waaaaaay too many moving parts. I get really carried away sometimes frankly. You should see the vote deck I was trying to make with Sybil's Tongue.... eesh. First I started out with a !Malk, obviously. Then I added a !Ventrue element to use their vote denial. Then I had a !Toreador for some reason I can no longer even remember. Then the capacity of my !Malk was upped to give me more voting power. However, I am convinced it would be a good deck if I started with 80 pool and games lasted 40 rounds *sigh*. Build the above deck and let me know how it goes. I'll try to post that Abysmal Hunters deck soon. Cheers, WES

your deck is looking fun to play but less tune than the one I tryed... I don't like your big crypte and you cannot reduce the bleed or block and I don't talk about the combat. I have to post it because I am still looking to improve it about combat and block. About the newsletter, I haven't seen any of them (in the past too) with dedefra vamp and a theme about serpentis necro. It can be a great idea for next one! You have few way to deal with the ally part. My way is : dedefra is the recruiter(optionally sarrazine, it is a women job in my familly)), she can choose between 2 amam, 6 shambling and 3 puppeter, the 2 firts in order to loower the blood of the vamp, the last one with 5 temptation give the control of at least one vamp per turn.I gain pool with hesha on a cab (hunt +3 stealth , gain 2 blood, minion tap). The deck has two problem like almost all setite deck : no combat cards (I add 5 behind you and 5 zip gun recently but I haven't test the deck with it), no intercept (I already have too many master to add the intercept one). This mean that if you have a rush deck as prey or a good vote deck as predator you are probably dead!

Heya, Wes. I really liked the fiction in this newsletter, and I don't usually read the newsletters for the fiction. :-) On the Consignment to Duat topic, I seem to remember someone challenging the newsgroup a while ago to come up with a deck concept where Consignment was actually better than (more copies of) Temptation (at least, since I want to play Temptation *with* Consignment, I take it that Consignment doesn't have to be "by itself" better than Temptation, but better than a non-Consignment-using Temptation application). Here's a deck I came up with a while ago that's supposed to "abuse" the two together. It's not, like, super-killer, probably, but it is at least kind of good. And it definitely shows how annoying it can be to get locked down by Consignment and Temptation madness. At least, when it works. "Consign Me To The Moon" crypt (12): 1 Lalitha ser 2 1 Celine C. ser obf 3 1 Khalil A. ser pre 3 1 Nepata ser obf pre 4 1 Dedefra SER obf 5 1 Sir Marriot d'U. ser obf PRE 5 2 Ezekiel L. M. SER obf PRE 6 Black Hand 1 Hesha R. SER obf pre 6 1 Samat Ramal-Ra ser OBF pre 6 diablerie 1 Danny L. SER obf PRE 7 1 Qufur a-H. SER OBF PRE 7 library (80): 2 Obfuscate 2 Opium Den 2 Serpentis 1 Path of Typhon 1 Temple Hunting Ground 2 Heidelberg Castle 4 Blood Doll 2 Archon Investigation 2 Direct Intervention 2 Jake Washington (Hunter) -- 20 8 Temptation 7 Consignment to Duat 3 Form of Corruption 4 Legal Manipulations -- 22 4 Form of the Serpent 3 Mask of 1000 Faces 3 Spying Mission 3 Lost in Crowds 3 Faceless Night 3 Cloak the Gathering 3 Elder Impersonation 3 Forgotten Labyrinth 4 Aire of Elation -- 29 2 Wake with Evening's Freshness -- 2 7 Majesty -- 7 It's a little weak on the offensive side, but if you get the Temptations going, you do get to bleed for 1 a lot with other people's vampires. The Wakes and Jakes are basically there to throw something in the way if somebody comes to rush one of your Consignment-players (since Consignments burn if the playing vamp gets into combat). Josh on the layaway plan

> Ecstasy isn't fantastic, I agree. I don't think I've ever played it come > to think of it. Most of my Setites are doing some kind of action every > turn, so it just doesn't seem worth it to wake and reduce a bleed by 1. > That's two cards that could've been Temptations or whatever. > > I have a fairly robust deck right now based around Extortion using > Nadima. It does *very* well, although not last weekend when I didn't > draw a single Nadima. They were all clumped at the bottom of my crypt. > Go figure. Yeah, I was thinking Nadima or maybe Aabt on bikes was the way to play this one. > > You don't see a lot of Free States Rant? That card is nasty. If your > playgroup isn't used to seeing it, I suggest you take advantage of it > immediately! :) Sorry, my bad (imprecise language) - FSR is the one that's *not* tricky. I like that card. And of the other options, Ecstacy is the one I do occasionally see played, mainly for the bleed reduction. The others, never. > > > Make Guido your first Anarch, to give him something to do... the idea > > is that he and Hesha can hunt for a boatload - Hesha's special, > > Hospital Food + Anarch Free Press = 2 vamps gaining 5 blood per turn. > > Use Free States Rant (which even Guido can call if he has gone Anarch) > > + Gregory Winter to wear down your Famous prey, and Abyssal Hunters or > > Consignment to Duat or Shadow Twin to finish the job. > > Abyssal Hunters are a lot of fun. I made a Lasombra deck with 8 of them. > It's pretty good I think. I may post it here when I feel motivated. > > Free States Rant requires an *independent* vampire, rather than an > Anarch... so you could just leave the Setites as is. You could also use > Lucita if you insist on playing FSR and Abyssals, though her disciplines > are not going to mesh too much with any FoS deck I've ever seen. I was thinking that you would make Guido anarch, so he could have other jobs besided very occasionally recruiting. The Independant bit would let him (as well as the FoS) call FSR and the Anarch bit (with the right masters) would let him help with the turbo hunting. > > > 5 Summon the Serpent > > 5 Ways to become Anarch > > 5 Free States Rant > > 3 Consignment to Duat > > 3 Fame > > 3 Abyssal Hunter (might only recruit 1 or 2 - extras provide Horde > > Fodder) > > 3 Shambling Hordes > > 2 Anam the Devourer (extra copy to provide Horde Fodder) > > 2 Gregory Winter (extra copy to provide Horde Fodder) > > 2 Shadow Twin > > Hospital Food > > Anarch Free Press > > The Anarchs angle seems unnecessary really. Hesha is a better hunter as > an Anarch, but he's also good with an Feeding Razor and Inbase. Since > you're already spread a little thin, I would remove the anarchs angle > altogether. Fair point. The anarch bit is 7 cards, where Inbase + Razor is only two. However, the Anarch variant costs 2 less pool, doesn't waste an action equipping, and lets Guido call FSR. Maybe it's still not a good plan, but there was some logic behind it :-) > > > > And yes, the Assimites probably mix better with FoS with cheap obf, > > and they could bring Ghouls of thingy Plaza + Foul Blood to the party, > > but a) I guess I'm just itching to use my Abyssal Hunters in > > *something* and b) Someone else can write up that idea :-) > > I dunno. Your idea sounds like most of my deck ideas. Waaaaaay too many > moving parts. I get really carried away sometimes frankly. You should > see the vote deck I was trying to make with Sybil's Tongue.... eesh. > First I started out with a !Malk, obviously. Then I added a !Ventrue > element to use their vote denial. Then I had a !Toreador for some reason > I can no longer even remember. Then the capacity of my !Malk was upped > to give me more voting power. However, I am convinced it would be a good > deck if I started with 80 pool and games lasted 40 rounds *sigh*. > > Build the above deck and let me know how it goes. I had the idea, poured it out, then decided I didn't like it :-) Even then I realised it would be much easier to go with a FoS / Assimite deck, with the 2 ghouls and Free States Rant for burning blood, and Consignment to Duat or Foul Blood to finish the job. Duat on the famous guy (so they lose the full 3+ 1 pool) and Foul Blood on the rest, I guess. If I ever get around to it, that's the version I will put together. [ quoted text not captured ]

"Joshua Duffin" <jtdu...@yahoo.com> wrote > Heya, Wes. I really liked the fiction in this newsletter, and I don't > usually read the newsletters for the fiction. :-) Cool, thanks Josh! I was trying to imagine how Consignment to Duat might work, without having a clue (what book is it from again?). As to why the female vampire would actually pull a Consignment of Duat on some other vampire in the middle of a bar... well that would require plot, motivation and character development. But the "man" only gives me ten paragraphs to work with, so that's all you get! :) > On the Consignment to Duat topic, I seem to remember someone challenging > the newsgroup a while ago to come up with a deck concept where > Consignment was actually better than (more copies of) Temptation (at > least, since I want to play Temptation *with* Consignment, I take it > that Consignment doesn't have to be "by itself" better than Temptation, > but better than a non-Consignment-using Temptation application). Yeah, I don't see it as an either-or situation at all. CoD complements Temptation (and other common FoS effects) and is nasty by itself to boot. And I really like the artwork, which is reason alone to try to put it in a deck, right? > Here's a deck I came up with a while ago that's supposed to "abuse" the > two together. It's not, like, super-killer, probably, but it is at > least kind of good. And it definitely shows how annoying it can be to > get locked down by Consignment and Temptation madness. At least, when > it works. <snip cool deck> > It's a little weak on the offensive side, but if you get the Temptations > going, you do get to bleed for 1 a lot with other people's vampires. > > The Wakes and Jakes are basically there to throw something in the way if > somebody comes to rush one of your Consignment-players (since > Consignments burn if the playing vamp gets into combat). A couple of Enticement might work well, since you will often have the Edge after bleeding with all the stolen vampires. I generally don't even bother with Wakes in a FoS deck personally. My defense consists of ousting my preys fast enough that what my predator does won't matter. This works more often than it should. Cheers, WES

>Sorry, my bad (imprecise language) - FSR is the one that's *not* >tricky. I like that card. And of the other options, Ecstacy is the one >I do occasionally see played, mainly for the bleed reduction. The >others, never. Yeah. I don't see FoS decks played too often around here but many of the ones I have seen have used Ecstasy + Banner of Neutrality for some pretty decent bleed defense. At least for the FoS. Halcyan 2