[LSJ] Majesty vs Rotschreck

during a combat, a vampire play majesty at superior (to end combat and untap) and the other walk of flame+Rotschreck. The majesty vampire is sent to torpor. The question: is he tapped or not? Thanks a lot

gabusanvtes wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Tapped. Rotschreck takes effect before strikes resolve, so the Majesty does not take effect. --Colin McGuigan

> Tapped. Rotschreck takes effect before strikes resolve, > so the Majesty does not take effect. Of course Colin is correct, but note that Rotschreck taps the vampire as well, by card text. Ira

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<GQRFc.189364$Gx4....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>... > Colin McGuigan wrote: > > gabusanvtes wrote: > >> during a combat, a vampire play majesty at superior (to end combat and > >> untap) and the other walk of flame+Rotschreck. The majesty vampire is > >> sent to torpor. The question: is he tapped or not? > > > > Tapped. Rotschreck takes effect before strikes resolve, so the Majesty > > does not take effect. > > Correct. I would say, that this is a tricky one. Majesty ends combat and untaps the vampire "before combat ends", it is not a regular strike, it is a s:ce. Rotschreck is also a CE effect. so in my oppinion i would say, that the vampire untaps from majesty (like if both combatants play a majesty, they both untap, because CE strikes resolve at the same time), BUT ends up tapped because of Rotschreck card text "...this vampire is tapped..." just my opinion P.S. what happens if i am the acting minion and i end combat (e.g. via sup alpha glint), can the opposing minion play any before range stuff like illusions of the kindred ? i think not, but i'd like an official answer.

Jyhad_addict wrote: > I would say, that this is a tricky one. You can argue with LSJ all you want. =P > Majesty ends combat and untaps the vampire "before combat ends", it is > not a regular strike, it is a s:ce. But it is still a strike. Notice the "S" in "S:CE". > Rotschreck is also a CE effect. But not a strike. This is key. > so in my oppinion i would say, that the vampire untaps from majesty > (like if both combatants play a majesty, they both untap, because CE > strikes resolve at the same time), BUT ends up tapped because of > Rotschreck card text "...this vampire is tapped..." Striking is divided up into three phases: strike declaration, strike resolution, and then damage handling. Rotschreck takes place during strike declaration. Before strike resolution. Therefore, none of the strikes go off -- if the opponent used, eg, a Flash Grenade, the other minion (if a vampire) would not tap, an Oubliette would not do the point of damage, etc. > P.S. what happens if i am the acting minion and i end combat (e.g. via > sup alpha glint), can the opposing minion play any before range stuff > like illusions of the kindred ? i think not, but i'd like an official > answer. Correct. Once you play superior Alpha Glint, combat is over (barring Psyche! or Telepathic Tracking, as usual). --Colin McGuigan