[LSJ] Mike Ooi is at it again

This one took us a bit by surprise. I have no idea where his inspiration is coming from..... Gloria Giovanni takes an action to recruit a Masquer. Mike then immediately burns the Masquer to give Gloria +1 intercept. If you read the card, it doesn't limit the intercept to the current action or turn. So Mike argued that it was permanent. Since Changeling Skin mask does state that you can only burn for the current action, I didn't have any other precedent to say he couldn't. We played it out and it didn't seem too horrific, although we did block his Compels :-). So intent of card aside, does the card need clarification or did Mike play correctly? ------------------------------- Ethan Burrow - Prince of Austin saa...@yahoo.com http://whitestar.ddg.com/vtes/

>Gloria Giovanni takes an action to recruit a Masquer. Mike then >immediately burns the Masquer to give Gloria +1 intercept. > >If you read the card, it doesn't limit the intercept to the current >action or turn. So Mike argued that it was permanent. Since >Changeling Skin mask does state that you can only burn for the current >action, I didn't have any other precedent to say he couldn't. We >played it out and it didn't seem too horrific, although we did block >his Compels :-). > >So intent of card aside, does the card need clarification or did Mike >play correctly? I think it's implicit and assumed that you can only burn for intercept during an action (and it only lasts for an action). I'd argue that it's similar to Marciana Giovanni: Marciana Giovanni, Investigator [FN] Cardtype: Vampire Clan: Giovanni Capacity: 2 Discipline: dom Independent: Bleed actions cost Marciana an additional blood. Tap Marciana and choose a non-Sabbat vampire to allow that vampire to burn 1 blood to get +1 intercept <for the current action>. (And I'm guessing that Masquer should be appended with the "for the current action" part). In fact, Marciana was heavily abused in my pre-release. I probably shouldn't have placed a Temptation on her, but my prey then pulled off illegal things like tapping her during his master phase (so she would be tapped and bloodless, meaning she's useless to my Temptation). And then argued that when used during my turn, the intercept lasts for the whole turn. And since there weren't any rulings at the time, the judge ok'ed it all...Fortunately the text has been appended with the "for the current action." In any case, with Mike Ooi's interpretation, the first part (minion w/ retainer gets +1 intercept) seems sort of redundant since you could just burn the wraith, get a permanent +1 intercept, and not worry about having a retainer (who could die in combat or get stolen)... Well, just my two cents... Halcyan 2

"Ethan Burrow" <saa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3baacd23....@news-server.austin.rr.com... > although we did block his Compels :-). No you didn't. The minion with the compelled Masquer was diablerized (by me so I could bring out a fresh one)... Don't lie to LSJ to try to impress him; that's my job. robble robble

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:17:02 GMT, "Mike Ooi" <sh...@texas.net> wrote: > >"Ethan Burrow" <saa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:3baacd23....@news-server.austin.rr.com... >> although we did block his Compels :-). > >No you didn't. The minion with the compelled Masquer was diablerized (by me >so I could bring out a fresh one)... Prove it...<g> >Don't lie to LSJ to try to impress him; that's my job. I thought your job was to create compelling and funny stories? When's the last time you wrote and M&K? Baaaaad Ooi. (For those who are thoroughly confused by now, we don't call lying lying in Austin....it's called storytelling. So you don't lie to people, you tell them stories to confuse them. You see! I just told you a *story* ;-) [ quoted text not captured ]

Ethan Burrow wrote: > Gloria Giovanni takes an action to recruit a Masquer. Mike then > immediately burns the Masquer to give Gloria +1 intercept. > > If you read the card, it doesn't limit the intercept to the current > action or turn. So Mike argued that it was permanent. Since > Changeling Skin mask does state that you can only burn for the current > action, I didn't have any other precedent to say he couldn't. We > played it out and it didn't seem too horrific, although we did block > his Compels :-). > > So intent of card aside, does the card need clarification or did Mike > play correctly? "All modifications to a minion's ... intercept return to normal after the action is resolved." [6.2.2.2] For added intercept to linger beyond a single action, a card-in-play or explicit card text is needed. See Sport Bike and Psychic Projection. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> If you read the card, it doesn't limit the intercept to the current > action or turn. So Mike argued that it was permanent. Since > Changeling Skin mask does state that you can only burn for the current > action, I didn't have any other precedent to say he couldn't. We > played it out and it didn't seem too horrific, although we did block > his Compels :-). Bravo Mr Ooi - the Greatest VTES player this generation has seen. Subject to change. ;) DH

"Ethan Burrow" <saa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3baacd23....@news-server.austin.rr.com... > This one took us a bit by surprise. I have no idea where his > inspiration is coming from..... > > Gloria Giovanni takes an action to recruit a Masquer. Mike then > immediately burns the Masquer to give Gloria +1 intercept. You cannot burn the Masquer to gain intercept except during an action when you are attempting to block. This is covered in 6.2.2 of the rulebook, quoted here: "Likewise, intercept can be added during an action only when needed (that is, only by a blocking minion when the acting minion's stealth exceeds his intercept). " Neither Mike Ooi nor Patrick O'Shea cannot burn a Masquer at any other time. > If you read the card, it doesn't limit the intercept to the current > action or turn. It doesn't have to. The rules do. > So Mike argued that it was permanent. Since > Changeling Skin mask does state that you can only burn for the current > action, I didn't have any other precedent to say he couldn't. We > played it out and it didn't seem too horrific, although we did block > his Compels :-). > > So intent of card aside, does the card need clarification or did Mike > play correctly? Neither. See above. phhhlt. :> Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com -- Posted from rr-163-54-80.atl.mediaone.net [24.163.54.80] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG

"The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:b607ad99a1565ea2ee3...@mygate.mailgate.org... > > Neither Mike Ooi nor Patrick O'Shea cannot burn a Masquer at any other time. > I'm confused by the double negative(s)...so you're saying that collectively we can burn a Masquer provided we both consent? > > If you read the card, it doesn't limit the intercept to the current > > action or turn. > > It doesn't have to. > The rules do. > Who reads these so called "rules" anyway? If someone can't figure out how to play this game just by looking at the cards, then they shouldn't be playing anyway. It would make demos a lot easier... "Look at these cards, now look at these cards. Alright, go play in the tournament!" > > phhhlt. :> robble robble :@ > > Carpe noctem. ahh...carpe BOCtem <thunderclap of doom> (Re: Guard Duty) > > Lasombra ya big rummy, we miss ya alreddi

In message <UwIq7.601506$ai2.45...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, Mike Ooi <sh...@texas.net> writes >Who reads these so called "rules" anyway? On a slightly more serious note, a lot of people - possibly too many. For instance, one thing I recall from the European players we had in attendance was some confusion regarding the allies, where they thought the rules stated some concept of "summoning sickness" regarding Compel the Spirit. (I remember this as I had to rule on it in several separate games, rather than because it was European players raising the question per se.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Close your eyes so you don't feel them EBD690ECD7A1F They don't need to see you cry B457CA213D7E6 I can't promise I will heal you, but if you want to I will try 68C3695D623D5D

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:33:59 GMT, saa...@yahoo.com (Ethan Burrow) wrote: >(For those who are thoroughly confused by now, we don't call lying >lying in Austin....it's called storytelling. So you don't lie to >people, you tell them stories to confuse them. You see! I just told >you a *story* ;-) Goldilocks and the Three Pillow-Biters? :P "can i tell you a story?" -- Derek AGITATOR, n. A statesman who shakes the fruit trees of his neighbors -- to dislodge the worms.

In article <UwIq7.601506$ai2.45...@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>, "Mike Ooi" <sh...@texas.net> wrote: >> Lasombra > >ya big rummy, we miss ya alreddi Oh, fine, go ahead and not miss ME. See if I care... --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail: santiago [at] umug [dot] org || Web: http://santiago.umug.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Ceci n'est pas un 'sig block'."

"The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote > This is covered in 6.2.2 of the rulebook, quoted here: > > "Likewise, intercept can be added during an action only when > needed (that is, only by a blocking minion when the acting > minion's stealth exceeds his intercept). " Can you use Draba or Ignis Fatus when an acting minion is taking an action at zero stealth? -- Everyone has one thing, y'think? I mean: Everyone is given one special thing . . . . right? - Dirk Diggler

Dirk Diggler wrote: > > "The Lasombra" <thela...@hotmail.com> wrote > > > This is covered in 6.2.2 of the rulebook, quoted here: > > > > "Likewise, intercept can be added during an action only when > > needed (that is, only by a blocking minion when the acting > > minion's stealth exceeds his intercept). " > > Can you use Draba or Ignis Fatus when an acting minion is taking an > action at zero stealth? Yes. [ quoted text not captured ]