[LSJ] Descent into Social Ladder Darkness

In a single turn, I play Social Ladder on a vampire, then play Descent Into Darkness with that vampire, then choose not to burn the DID. Presumably the out-of-play Social Ladder's effect does not trigger. If I burn the DID in a later influence phase, does the Social Ladder's effect trigger? Relevant card texts: Social Ladder Master Put this card on a ready vampire you control. During your next influence phase, remove this vampire from the game and move all the blood counters from that vampire to an older vampire in your uncontrolled region. Descent into Darkness Action Obtenebration Blood Cost: 1 +1 stealth action Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or her face down, out of play (breaking any temporary control affects). Put this card on him or her (in play). During your influence phase, move 2 blood to this face-down vampire from the blood bank, and you can choose to burn this card to return the vampire to play, tapped. As above, but the vampire is untapped when he or she returns to play

Emmit Svenson wrote: > In a single turn, I play Social Ladder on a vampire, then play Descent > Into Darkness with that vampire, then choose not to burn the DID. > Presumably the out-of-play Social Ladder's effect does not trigger. If Of course. > I burn the DID in a later influence phase, does the Social Ladder's > effect trigger? Yes. > Relevant card texts: > > Social Ladder > Master > Put this card on a ready vampire you control. During your next > influence phase, remove this vampire from the game and move all the > blood counters from that vampire to an older vampire in your > uncontrolled region. > > Descent into Darkness > Action > Obtenebration > Blood Cost: 1 > +1 stealth action > > Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or her face down, out of > play (breaking any temporary control affects). Put this card on him or > her (in play). During your influence phase, move 2 blood to this > face-down vampire from the blood bank, and you can choose to burn this > card to return the vampire to play, tapped. > > As above, but the vampire is untapped when he or she returns to play -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> Relevant card texts: >> >> Social Ladder >> Master >> Put this card on a ready vampire you control. During your next >> influence phase, remove this vampire from the game and move all the >> blood counters from that vampire to an older vampire in your >> uncontrolled region. >> >> Descent into Darkness >> Action >> Obtenebration >> Blood Cost: 1 >> +1 stealth action >> >> Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or her face down, out of >> play (breaking any temporary control affects). Put this card on him or >> her (in play). During your influence phase, move 2 blood to this >> face-down vampire from the blood bank, and you can choose to burn this >> card to return the vampire to play, tapped. >> >> As above, but the vampire is untapped when he or she returns to play. If the vampire has more blood on him than his capacity from Descent into Darkness, then when you bring him back into play and use Social Ladder on him, does the excess blood burn off before the effect of Social Ladder or can Social Ladder take advantage of the excess blood on the vampire? I am sure it drains off, but I think that is crux of the question. -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp

"XZealot" <X_Ze...@cox-internet.com> wrote in message news:607fd93.04092...@posting.google.com... > If the vampire has more blood on him than his capacity from Descent > into Darkness, then when you bring him back into play and use Social > Ladder on him, does the excess blood burn off before the effect of > Social Ladder or can Social Ladder take advantage of the excess blood > on the vampire? > > I am sure it drains off, but I think that is crux of the question. It drains off, yes. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu