rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Seterpenre Rarity

17 messages from 9 participants · 30 April 2010 – 02 May 2010
original thread on Google Groups

brandonsantacruz

Does anyone know the true rarity for Seterpenre? It was brought up when LotN was new and there was never an official answer that I saw. He seems to be roughly twice as scarce as the other crypt cards. Would that make him R2? Brandon

LSJ

On Apr 30, 2:45 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Does anyone know the true rarity for Seterpenre? It was brought up > when LotN was new and there was never an official answer that I saw. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fd0e414ba388400d > He seems to be roughly twice as scarce as the other crypt cards. Would > that make him R2? No. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a2b1aef2642de43e He's an Uncommon. I haven't heard of any layout or printing error that would change his rarity from the official designation.

brandonsantacruz

> He's an Uncommon. > I haven't heard of any layout or printing error that would change his > rarity from the official designation. Strange. I opened two boxes and got 1 copy of Seterpenre, but 2 Preternatural Strength. I must have got a wonky batch. Thanks, Brandon

ontheverge

On Apr 30, 12:46 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] In my two boxes, I got 4 Seterpenres and 2 Preternatural Strengths. YMMV, I guess?

brandonsantacruz

> In my two boxes, I got 4 Seterpenres and 2 Preternatural Strengths. > YMMV, I guess? I think chris "librarian" had the same problem, along with many other people. Who has my 3x Seterpenres? ;P Brandon

TorranceCircle

On Apr 30, 1:54 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I opened about a box and a half worth of boosters over time. I have six copies of the super-anarch seterpenre! So to answer your question, "who has my 3x Seterpenre?" I think I do! : ) -Andy

Kevin M.

brandonsantacruz wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Sell your Preternatural Strength for $20 each and I'm sure you'll be able to obtain some Seterpenre. ;) Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/ Please bid on my auctions! http://shop.ebay.com/kjmergen/m.html

brandonsantacruz

> Sell your Preternatural Strength for $20 each and I'm sure > you'll be able to obtain some Seterpenre. ;) Too late, traded for some out of print rares with Ian a while back. It's a good card, I hope it's re-printed in a starter. Brandon

librarian

[ quoted text not captured ] There was a Settite and an Assamite (Jubal?) of which there were only 1 for every 2 other vamps. Seriously. I don't remember who it was, but it was there. I opened up over 10 boxes of LotN I think, and that was what I found. best - chris

TorranceCircle

> There was a Settite and an Assamite (Jubal?) It was Jamal, a 10-cap redlist with two votes!

brandonsantacruz

On Apr 30, 7:25 pm, TorranceCircle <torrance.cir...@gmail.com> wrote: > > There was a Settite and an Assamite (Jubal?) > > It was Jamal, a 10-cap redlist with two votes! Yeah, and no for, dom, or AUS. I think I've played him exactly once. Woo +1 bleed and conditional +1 strength! Brandon p.s., thanks Andy for the extra cards. They've been helpful to our play group. Brandon

Brum

On Apr 30, 8:06 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > On Apr 30, 2:45 pm, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > Does anyone know the true rarity for Seterpenre? It was brought up > > when LotN was new and there was never an official answer that I saw. > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/fd0e... > > > He seems to be roughly twice as scarce as the other crypt cards. Would > > that make him R2? > > No.http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/a2b1... > > He's an Uncommon. > I haven't heard of any layout or printing error that would change his > rarity from the official designation. Well Scott, math doesn´t lie, as you well know. And contrary to mainstream republican belief, reality is not bias. If any statistical study shows that Senterpenre is less likely to show up in boosters than most vampires of the same edition, he is "more rare". I've got limited experience in opening LotN booster boxes (only 3) so I can only say that everybody complains about the same and that has happend to me. 5-6 of almost every vamp; 2-3 Senterpenre. Next time we do a draft, I'll write down the numbers. But without a real study, this is a discution about the sex of cylon centurions. Tiago

Peter D Bakija

On May 1, 6:33 am, Brum <tiago.br...@gmail.com> wrote: > If any statistical study shows that Senterpenre is less likely to show > up in boosters than most vampires of the same edition, he is "more > rare". And yet, unless you open all the LotN boosters and count all the Seterpenres and compare them to all the not Seterpenres, you can't actually determine that he is actually "more rare" than anything else. If Seterpenre was on the uncommon sheet, and as such, printed as much as all the rest of the uncommons, then there are just as many Seterpenres as any other uncommon. Unless someone in the card factory maliciously took large piles of Seterpenres and hid them in a closet or something, any instances of Seterpenre seeming "more rare" than any other card is just the vagaries of random distribution. -Peter

Drain

[ quoted text not captured ] LotN was indeed the last set with *actual* random distribution so it might be related to the vagaries of fate (I got 3 Seterpenre out of 2 boxes... he wasn't super-abundant but neither was he the "rarest" vampire, in my experience). Drain

Peter D Bakija

On May 1, 10:39 am, Drain <dr...@hotmail.com> wrote: > LotN was indeed the last set with *actual* random distribution so it > might be related to the vagaries of fate Hmm. I'm not sure I know what that means. There is certainly a possibility that there was an actual weird production error--there were 40 non starter LotN vampires, of which Seterpenre is one. I don't know how many cards came on that sheet, but as it looks like there were also 10x non vampire LotN uncommons, they probably had a sheet of 50 with 40x vampire and 10x library cards (or a sheet of 100 with two of each). It isn't impossible that if it was a sheet of 100 with 2 of each, Seterpenre was accidentally only on the sheet once (in which case, he is half as common as most of the set, and some other card is 50% more common than most of the set), but I think it is safe to take LSJ at his word and assume that there wasn't a production error like that. So if there wasn't a production error like that, there are just as many Seterpenres in circulation as every other non starter vampire from that set. Unless someone somehow managed to capture and hide some (which is super unlikely, given that it is unlikely that anyone would care to do so, it was even possible). Maybe due to random shuffling of cards, there is a box of LotN somewhere in a warehouse that has 70 Seterpenres in it (whenever I complain about the shuffling function in JOL working like that, people just tell me that that is how randomization works...). -Peter

Kevin M.

Peter D Bakija wrote: > ... (whenever I complain about the shuffling function in JOL > working like that, people just tell me that that is how > randomization works...). That's because JOL doesn't 'shuffle', it 'randomizes', so your complaint doesn't really make any sense. Unless you mean to say "JOL doesn't randomize very well." ? If computers could somehow shuffle, then the world would be a much better place. ;) [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija

On May 1, 10:06 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > That's because JOL doesn't 'shuffle', it 'randomizes', so your > complaint doesn't really make any sense. Unless you mean > to say "JOL doesn't randomize very well." ? Well, it makes perfect sense as a joke (see: "There is a single box of LotN with 70 Seterpenres in it" vs "every single time you play JOL, you get 12 of the same cards in a row in a clump when you have 14 of the cards in the deck 'cause JOL doesn't randomize very well") -Peter