Anathema/Soul Stealing question

Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? John Baker

"John M. Baker" <fau...@psu.edu> wrote: > Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing > if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? Soul Stealing [DS] - Action Modifier{/Combat} (nec) The normal version can only be used as an action modifier (card text). Add Superior: As above, and this card can also be played as a combat card. [RTR 960124] Yes, if they have superior Necromancy. Although, to be honest, to use it at the inferior level, I can't come up with a time when you can burn a vampire as an action other than diablerie. Anyone else? Noal McDonald Michigan Jyhad League -- DISCUSSION, n. A method of confirming others in their errors. -Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

> Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing > if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? While I am not LSJ, I would think that the vampire could not. Soul Stealing specifies "Only usable when a vampire you control burns a vampire controlled by your prey." while Anathema says "If the vote is successful, put this card on that vampire. If that vampire is reduced to zero blood due to combat, he or she is burned". If you reduced a Vampire with Anathema on it to 0 or less, it is Anathema that is doing the actual burning, not the Vampire which is the requirement of Soul Stealing. As I was writing this, I started to think that maybe the Vampire could if s/he did enough agg damage to burn it's opponent, but then realized that the timing wouldn't be right. The Amaranth would kick in before the opposing Vamp could be burned by the excess of agg damage. a0 [ quoted text not captured ]

John M. Baker wrote: > > Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing > if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? If that victim vampire was controlled by the Soul-Stealing vampire's controller's Prey, yes. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html

> Yes, if they have superior Necromancy. I don't think so for the reasons I posted. I'm sure LSJ will clear this up, however. >Although, to be honest, to use it at the inferior level, I can't come >up with a time when you can burn a vampire as an action other than >diablerie. Anyone else? Sacrificial Lamb, for one. [ quoted text not captured ]

Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > "John M. Baker" <fau...@psu.edu> wrote: > > Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing > > if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? > > Soul Stealing [DS] - Action Modifier{/Combat} (nec) > The normal version can only be used as an action modifier (card text). Add > Superior: > As above, and this card can also be played as a combat card. [RTR 960124] > > Yes, if they have superior Necromancy. > Although, to be honest, to use it at > the inferior level, I can't come up with a time when you can burn a vampire > as an action other than diablerie. Anyone else? Getting into the Puzzler business, Noal? How's this: Vittorio Giovanni with a Fortitude skill card bleeds his prey. Julius (whose Sire has been Revealed) attempts to block. Vittorio plays Kiss of Ra, burning Julius. Vittorio plays Soul Stealing, gaining 1 blood (half of Julius's two capacity). Alternatively, if Julius's sire has been revealed to be a Toreador, a Nosferatu with a Necromancy skill card could play Soul Stealing on a Nosferatu Performance Art action directed at Julius. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Life is a collection of http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | low-probability events. Graphics Specialist and V:TES Rulemonger | [ quoted text not captured ]

Dhar...@yahoo.com wrote: > > "John M. Baker" <fau...@psu.edu> wrote: > > Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing > > if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? > > Yes, if they have superior Necromancy. Although, to be honest, to use it at > the inferior level, I can't come up with a time when you can burn a vampire > as an action other than diablerie. Anyone else? > Sacrificial Lamb. Also, I believe that the two mummies can take actions to destroy particular vampires (Followers of Set and Tremere respectively, I think) and since both can use inferior necromancy cards, they could then use Soul Stealing. I've never really played with the mummies, so I don't remember exactly. -Chris [ quoted text not captured ]

Agent Zero wrote > >Although, to be honest, to use it at the inferior level, I can't come > >up with a time when you can burn a vampire as an action other than > >diablerie. Anyone else? > > Sacrificial Lamb, for one. *nods* Okay...that'll do it. Although an Obfuscate/Necromancy deck would be mighty odd. Noal -- DISCUSSION, n. A method of confirming others in their errors. -Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: >John M. Baker wrote: >> >> Can a vampire with superior Necromancy play Soul Stealing >> if the vampire he opposes in combat is burned by Anathema? > >If that victim vampire was controlled by the Soul-Stealing >vampire's controller's Prey, yes. > Good, because I was wondering about the "Burned by a Political Action, like Tradition Upheld" ruling. Anathema's not like Tradition Upheld, and it can be argued that it's the Anathema, and not the Necromancer that's doing the burning... but it can be argued the other way, too... Thanks for the help. John Baker

> >*nods* Okay...that'll do it. Although an Obfuscate/Necromancy >deck would be mighty odd. > Not as odd as you might think. Carlotta and Rafaele Giovanni have Obf/Nec, as does Dedefra. Notice that Rafaele and Gaspare also have Celerity, and you can throw in Patrizia and the Assamites. Thaumaturgy also works as a cross-discipline for them quite well. In fact, I had a Obf/Cel/Nec/Qui/Tha deck of Giovanni and Assamites that meshed together surprisingly well. Alternately, Thetmes has Dominate and Potence, and can be used in other ways. Akram has Potence, Celerity, and Quietus, too. I think that that's the big secret that Patrizia has collected. It's also much easier now that we have the Changeling Skin Mask. John Baker

"John M. Baker" <fau...@psu.edu> wrote: > >*nods* Okay...that'll do it. Although an Obfuscate/Necromancy > >deck would be mighty odd. > > > Not as odd as you might think. Carlotta and Rafaele Giovanni have > Obf/Nec, as does Dedefra. Notice that Rafaele and Gaspare also > have Celerity, and you can throw in Patrizia and the Assamites. *nods* However, neither has superior Obfuscate, which is needed for Sacrificial Lamb. But a discipline card or, as you mentioned below, Changeling Skin Mask will fix that in a jiffy. I'll see if I can come up with a workable deck for this combo of disciplinces. > Thaumaturgy also works as a cross-discipline for them quite well. > In fact, I had a Obf/Cel/Nec/Qui/Tha deck of Giovanni and Assamites > that meshed together surprisingly well. A five discipline deck?!? Eep. I'd like to see that deck. Sounds like some unholy combo born of a sealed deck tournament. Kinda like the Ventrue/Nosferatu deck that I ended up with at a Michigan Draft game last year. > Alternately, Thetmes has > Dominate and Potence, and can be used in other ways. Akram has > Potence, Celerity, and Quietus, too. *nods* However, those vampires are expensive and take a while to get out...and at 8 cap and above, I like my vampires to have all of the disciplines I want at superior. > I think that that's the big secret that Patrizia has collected. It's also > much easier now that we have the Changeling Skin Mask. heh. I've been thinking about a Quietus/Thaum deck for a while. Patrizia could easily go into it. Noal McDonald Michigan Jyhad League [ quoted text not captured ]

sjoh...@math.sc.edu (L. Scott Johnson) wrote: > > the inferior level, I can't come up with a time when you can burn a vampire > > as an action other than diablerie. Anyone else? > > Getting into the Puzzler business, Noal? Heh. I wasn't planning on it...but now that you bring it up, it doesn't sound like a half bad idea. I certainly have the disposable income for it. Besides, the MJL web page needs some serious redesigning. Hrm. I just wish that the company I work for didn't have a firewall and a proxy to go through. Makes telnet nearly impossible. I really should break down and buy a computer for home. > How's this: > Vittorio Giovanni with a Fortitude skill card bleeds his prey. > Julius (whose Sire has been Revealed) attempts to block. > Vittorio plays Kiss of Ra, burning Julius. > Vittorio plays Soul Stealing, gaining 1 blood (half of Julius's two capacity). > > Alternatively, if Julius's sire has been revealed to be a Toreador, a > Nosferatu with a Necromancy skill card could play Soul Stealing on > a Nosferatu Performance Art action directed at Julius. Heh. I was thinking of something a bit more practical to base a deck on, but I suppose these would work. Noal McDonald Michigan Jyhad League http://kite.eecs.umich.edu/MIRT/ [ quoted text not captured ]