Re: [LSJ] Declining to block + a few other easy ones

Uzytkownik "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> napisal w wiadomosci news:aDPrd.1019678$Gx4....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Daniel H wrote: > > What happened was: > > Orpheus bled his prey with Gratiano, she declined to block. Orpheus > > asked > > Stefan if he wanted to block with his crosstable tzi deck packing > > eagle愀 sight, to which Stefan responded: "At the moment i惴 not able > > to block". > > As a result, Orpheus played a Conditioning and then Stefan played an > > Eagle愀 sight and blocked the action, preventing the oust. > > > > LSJ was standing about and confirmed that this was a legal play > > because Stefan didn愒 specificly declined to block the action. > > Incorrect. > > LSJ was not asked about it until afterwards. LSJ did not > hear the exchange; the exchange was related to LSJ after > the fact. > > LSJ said that "I'm not able to block" is, in that context, > a declaration of "I don't block." > Does that mean that Stefan shouldn't have blocked this action? AFAIR after declaration that noone wants to block, eagle's sight wont change this. sinaath

After seeing Stefan Ferencis (sp?) trick on Orpheus during the third round of the EC i´ve been thinking alot about the determine blockers process. What happened was: Orpheus bled his prey with Gratiano, she declined to block. Orpheus asked Stefan if he wanted to block with his crosstable tzi deck packing eagle´s sight, to which Stefan responded: "At the moment i´m not able to block". As a result, Orpheus played a Conditioning and then Stefan played an Eagle´s sight and blocked the action, preventing the oust. LSJ was standing about and confirmed that this was a legal play because Stefan didn´t specificly declined to block the action. And so for a small (similar) example involving Anneke. Set-up: One vampire (Gratiano) controlled by player A. One vampire (Suzanne kadim) Controlled by player B. Anneke controlled by crosstable player C. Gratiano bleeds player B. Player B declines to block. Player A asks if player C wishes to block. Question 1) If player C declines to block, can Anneke still block if she is not asked specificly? (i.e the correct play for A would be: Player C block? "no", Anneke block? ...) Lets suppose Anneke declines to block. Player A plays conditioning. Player B deflects Gratiano to Player C with Suzanne. Question 2) Can Anneke attempt to block the action? Question 3) How is this answer affected with the 2/12 RTR? And now for something completely different. Are you allowed to play non-referendum Action modifiers (such as Approx of loyalty) and non-referendum reaction cards (wakes etc) during a referendum? (After the action is successful) Are you restricted to using a single counter from the Polaris Coach for each action due to the "During X do Y" ruling? //Daniel

Daniel H wrote: > What happened was: > Orpheus bled his prey with Gratiano, she declined to block. Orpheus > asked > Stefan if he wanted to block with his crosstable tzi deck packing > eagle´s sight, to which Stefan responded: "At the moment i´m not able > to block". > As a result, Orpheus played a Conditioning and then Stefan played an > Eagle´s sight and blocked the action, preventing the oust. > > LSJ was standing about and confirmed that this was a legal play > because Stefan didn´t specificly declined to block the action. Incorrect. LSJ was not asked about it until afterwards. LSJ did not hear the exchange; the exchange was related to LSJ after the fact. LSJ said that "I'm not able to block" is, in that context, a declaration of "I don't block." > And so for a small (similar) example involving Anneke. > > Set-up: One vampire (Gratiano) controlled by player A. > One vampire (Suzanne kadim) Controlled by player B. > Anneke controlled by crosstable player C. > > Gratiano bleeds player B. > Player B declines to block. > Player A asks if player C wishes to block. > > Question 1) If player C declines to block, can Anneke still block if > she is not asked specificly? (i.e the correct play for A would be: > Player C block? "no", Anneke block? ...) No. > > Lets suppose Anneke declines to block. > > Player A plays conditioning. > Player B deflects Gratiano to Player C with Suzanne. > > Question 2) Can Anneke attempt to block the action? The target has changed. All previous "I don't block" decisions are voided. > > Question 3) How is this answer affected with the 2/12 RTR? These answers assume 12/2 > And now for something completely different. > > Are you allowed to play non-referendum Action modifiers (such as > Approx of loyalty) and non-referendum reaction cards (wakes etc) > during a referendum? (After the action is successful) Yes. > Are you restricted to using a single counter from the Polaris Coach > for each action due to the "During X do Y" ruling? Polaris doesn't use the During X template, so the ruling on what the During X template means doesn't apply. See the link given to the other few times that question has been asked of Polaris Coach. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"sinaath" <sin...@kill.this.gmail.com> wrote in message news:cop4k7$i5c$1...@news2.ipartners.pl... > Uzytkownik "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> napisal w wiadomosci > > LSJ said that "I'm not able to block" is, in that context, > > a declaration of "I don't block." > > Does that mean that Stefan shouldn't have blocked this action? > AFAIR after declaration that noone wants to block, eagle's sight wont change > this. The decision not to block is, as always, final (until and unless the target changes). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu