Rules Question: Gas Powered Chainsaw

Question: Silvia Giovanni (+1 Strength) is equipped with a Gas Powered Chainsaw. In the first round of combat, at close range, Silvia strikes with Gas Powered Chainsaw. How much damage is dealt by this strike? Thanks in advance. - Jason Bell

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:39:57 GMT, Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> scrawled: >Question: > >Silvia Giovanni (+1 Strength) is equipped with a >Gas Powered Chainsaw. > >In the first round of combat, at close range, >Silvia strikes with Gas Powered Chainsaw. > >How much damage is dealt by this strike? card text provides a bit of a hint: "3 damage each strike". it is not based on stregth, and strength modifiers will not effect it. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

From the card, I would say 3... Card Text: Melee Weapon. 3 damage each strike. This weapon is only usable once each combat.

> card text provides a bit of a hint: > "3 damage each strike". > > it is not based on stregth, and strength modifiers will not effect it. I have been wondering about this for a while: Gas Powered Chainsaw is a Melee weapon (as per card text). Undead strength (and pusing the limit) say: use your hand strike or MELEE WEAPON at +X strength. Since the chainsaw *is* a melee weapon, does it work with those two cards?

Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in message news:<hda9c.22201$qH5.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Gas-Powerd Chainsaw 3 damage each strike. This weapon is only usable once each combat. Since it isn't +strength damage, the damage you will inflict is 3 as stated by the card. So it's better to have a Bang Nakh since it does strength +2 damage. /Daniel

Izaak wrote: > Gas Powered Chainsaw is a Melee weapon (as per card text). > Undead strength (and pusing the limit) say: use your hand strike or > MELEE WEAPON at +X strength. > > Since the chainsaw *is* a melee weapon, does it work with those two > cards? Undead Strength and Pushing the Limit say: Strike: make a hand strike or melee weapon strike at +X damage. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in message news:<hda9c.22201$qH5.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] 3.

----- Original Message ----- From: "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Rules Question: Gas Powered Chainsaw > Izaak wrote: > > Gas Powered Chainsaw is a Melee weapon (as per card text). > > Undead strength (and pusing the limit) say: use your hand strike or > > MELEE WEAPON at +X strength. > > > > Since the chainsaw *is* a melee weapon, does it work with those two > > cards? > > Undead Strength and Pushing the Limit say: > > Strike: make a hand strike or melee weapon strike at +X damage. And using the Gas Powered Chainsaw is a melee weapon strike or not? Or, more simply put, do they stack? If I play Undead Strenght with a Gas Powered Chain saw do I deal 3 or 5 damage? (assuming POT).

Izaak wrote: > And using the Gas Powered Chainsaw is a melee weapon strike or not? A Gas Powered Chain Saw is a melee weapon. Thus cards that give bonuses to melee weapon strikes give bonuses to Gas Powered Chainsaw strikes. Gas Powered Chainsaw, however, does not do damage based on strength, so inherrent strangth bonuses (like having +1 strength, or playing Torn Signpost/Fists of Death/whatever) do not increase Gas Powered Chan Saw strikes. > > Or, more simply put, do they stack? If I play Undead Strenght with a Gas > Powered Chain saw do I deal 3 or 5 damage? (assuming POT). You do 5. 'Cause Undead Strength specifically says "...or melee weapon strike at +2." Undead Strength works with Gas Powered Chain Saw 'cause it says it does. Torn Signpost does not, 'cause all it does is increase your strength, and Gas Powered Chainsaw, while a melee weapon, does not do damage based on strength. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "Punk rock's been pretty good to me for twenty years. It's my year to give back: I'm dedicating the next year of my life to fucking the Bush administration." -Fat Mike, http://www.punkvoter.com

>> And using the Gas Powered Chainsaw is a melee weapon strike or not? > >A Gas Powered Chain Saw is a melee weapon. Thus cards that give bonuses to >melee weapon strikes give bonuses to Gas Powered Chainsaw strikes. Yep. That's why Lazzie does only 3 damage with a GPC (despite +2 strength) but Jaroslav does 5. Halcyan 2

salem wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] So, to confirm, LSJ's ruling of February 8, 2002 here: "Melee" is used to identify weapons that do damage based on strength (so that they can be modified by things like Lucky Blow without resorting to a great deal of extra card text). is defunct, and "melee weapon" means absolutely nothing beyond the ability of other cards to reference it (the term is absent from the rulebook or rules glossary)? And to further confirm, all melee weapons that do damage in Jyhad card back had their text changed to strength, strength+x, or +x damage, as well as all other subsequently printed melee weapons, leaving Gas Powered Chainsaw as the sole "melee weapon" that does damage, but is not based upon strength? Thanks again for the help. - Jason Bell

Jason Bell wrote: > is defunct, and "melee weapon" means absolutely nothing beyond > the ability of other cards to reference it (the term is absent > from the rulebook or rules glossary)? Correct. Melee Weapon means nothing other than: -It is a weapon ('cause it says "weapon"), and as such, can't be used while Imoortally Grappled, for instance. -It can benefit from cards that say reference Melee Weapons. That is pretty much it. > > And to further confirm, all melee weapons that do > damage in Jyhad card back had their text changed > to strength, strength+x, or +x damage, as well as all > other subsequently printed melee weapons, leaving Gas > Powered Chainsaw as the sole "melee weapon" that does > damage, but is not based upon strength? More or less. There is the old Chainsaw card. It did 3 damage, but wasn't a melee weapon. But it also was phased out. It is possible that there are other melee weapons that do set damage, but I can't think of any. What does the current text of Kali's Fang say? [ quoted text not captured ]

>More or less. There is the old Chainsaw card. It did 3 damage, but wasn't a >melee weapon. But it also was phased out. It is possible that there are >other melee weapons that do set damage, but I can't think of any. What does >the current text of Kali's Fang say? Kali's Fang used to do a set amount of damage (2 agg). In FN however, it was changed to do strength + 1, aggravated damage, instead. Halcyan 2

Jason Bell <Jason...@mail.com> wrote in message news:<l_j9c.27512$Rr5.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com>... > So, to confirm, LSJ's ruling of February 8, 2002 here: > "Melee" is used to identify weapons that do damage based on strength > (so that they can be modified by things like Lucky Blow without > resorting to a great deal of extra card text). > is defunct, and "melee weapon" means absolutely nothing beyond > the ability of other cards to reference it (the term is absent > from the rulebook or rules glossary)? "Melee" is a key word on pieces of equipment that also have the key word "Weapon". Any card with this key word is a Melee Weapon and can be used with cards that require Melee Weapons. > And to further confirm, all melee weapons that do > damage in Jyhad card back had their text changed > to strength, strength+x, or +x damage, as well as all > other subsequently printed melee weapons, leaving Gas > Powered Chainsaw as the sole "melee weapon" that does > damage, but is not based upon strength? Yes, all other melee weapons deal damage based on strength (barring Rowan Ring, which doesn't do damage at all). ~SV

Izaak wrote: > From: "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> >>Izaak wrote: >>>Gas Powered Chainsaw is a Melee weapon (as per card text). >>>Undead strength (and pusing the limit) say: use your hand strike or >>>MELEE WEAPON at +X strength. >>> >>>Since the chainsaw *is* a melee weapon, does it work with those two >>>cards? >> >>Undead Strength and Pushing the Limit say: >>Strike: make a hand strike or melee weapon strike at +X damage. > > And using the Gas Powered Chainsaw is a melee weapon strike or not? Any strike with a melee weapon is a melee weapon strike, by definition. > Or, more simply put, do they stack? If I play Undead Strenght with a Gas > Powered Chain saw do I deal 3 or 5 damage? (assuming POT). 5. [ quoted text not captured ]

Jason Bell wrote: > So, to confirm, LSJ's ruling of February 8, 2002 here: > "Melee" is used to identify weapons that do damage based on strength > (so that they can be modified by things like Lucky Blow without > resorting to a great deal of extra card text). > > is defunct, and "melee weapon" means absolutely nothing beyond > the ability of other cards to reference it (the term is absent > from the rulebook or rules glossary)? That wasn't a ruling. It was defunct at the time and remains so. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C71C220.F80CD3CA%40white-wolf.com > And to further confirm, all melee weapons that do > damage in Jyhad card back had their text changed > to strength, strength+x, or +x damage, as well as all > other subsequently printed melee weapons, leaving Gas > Powered Chainsaw as the sole "melee weapon" that does > damage, but is not based upon strength? Correct. GPC is the last out-of-line card in that regard. It didn't use "hand damage" to mean "strength", so that particular substitution (which was not a functional change to any of the Jyhad-backed melee weapons) wasn't applied to it. Removing the "melee" designation to bring the card in line would be errata, and it doesn't rise to the errata threshold, per the same LSJ 2002 02 thread you quoted from. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C71C220.F80CD3CA%40white-wolf.com [ quoted text not captured ]

On 27 Mar 2004 04:37:39 -0800, naz...@punkass.com (Daniel BYstr?m) wrote: >Gas-Powerd Chainsaw >3 damage each strike. This weapon is only usable once each combat. > >Since it isn't +strength damage, the damage you will inflict is 3 as >stated by the card. > >So it's better to have a Bang Nakh since it does strength +2 damage. But the GPC is 1 Pool less expensive.. and it isn't affected at all by cards like Disarm or Song of Serenity which lower your strength :) -- Holger Christiansen Domain of Bochum, Germany

"Holger Christiansen" <silve...@arcor.de> schreef in bericht news:sp2d6018gv6fbe91t...@4ax.com... [ quoted text not captured ] The big difference is that the Chainsaw is once per combat only and that Bang Nakh can be used as many times as you want during a given combat. Hence the difference in poolcost.