DI vs concealed

According to RTR2000 you cannot DI the weapon that comes out with concealed/disguised. What is the order of play then? Do you play the concealed, name the weapon in hand, and then replace concealed while awaiting the table's response? I have always played that you play out both the concealed and weapon at once, which would make the distinction of DI'ing only the concealed card pointless as the weapon would still burn. *confused, and thinking that this game just keeps getting more and more pointlessly complicated* G

[ quoted text not captured ] It's not really THAT complicated. Play the card. Name any targets. Allow for interrelation. Pay any costs. Resolve effects. In this case, you aren't playing the weapon card. You are equipping it from your hand. You are required to reveal it at the time of playing the Concealed, but it's not put into play until the Concealed resolves. So it works as thus. - Combat round begins. - 'At beginning of combat/round' card opportunities. - Play Concealed Weapon. - Reveal designated Weapon in hand. - Replace card. - Opponents have option to play Direct Intervention. - Resolve Concealed Weapon by putting Weapon on the Vampire, and paying all costs/effects. - Triggered effects happen (I don't think any apply to Combat cards) - Continue 'At beginning of combat/round' card opportunities. Morgan Vening Concealed Weapon - Equip this minion with a non-unique weapon card from your hand at the beginning of a round. Pay weapon's equip cost, as normal. The weapon cannot cost more than 2 pool or inflict (with a regular strike) aggravated damage or more than 3 damage. Direct Intervention - Cancel a minion card as it is played. That card has no effect. No cost is paid. If the burned card was an action card, the acting minion remains untapped. If the card was a strike card, the minion chooses another strike.

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:23:28 +1100, Morgan Vening <mor...@optusnet.com.au> scrawled: >- Play Concealed Weapon. >- Reveal designated Weapon in hand. I'm not sure you reveal it as much as just call it by name. but, seeing as how if you name something you don't have in hand is cheating, it hardly makes an actual difference. except for the bit in the rules where you're not allowed to reveal cards in hand to other players. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:23:28 +1100, Morgan Vening <mor...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > - Replace card. > - Opponents have option to play Direct Intervention. I'd wager that this is the other way around. The card can be DI-ed as it is being played, but you only replace it after it has been played. -- Bye, Daneel

talonz wrote: > According to RTR2000 you cannot DI the weapon that comes out with > concealed/disguised. What is the order of play then? Do you play the > concealed, name the weapon in hand, and then replace concealed while > awaiting the table's response? Yes. In practice, both are played and, if DI'ed, then the wepaon is retrieved. Just as other little things are glossed over in routine play (and rewound when the "oversight" becomes problematic). > I have always played that you play out both the concealed and weapon at > once, which would make the distinction of DI'ing only the concealed > card pointless as the weapon would still burn. > > *confused, and thinking that this game just keeps getting more and more > pointlessly complicated* Hardly pointlessly. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Daneel wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Ah, right. In practice, again, it is usually done the way Morgan says (and rewound if necessary). [ quoted text not captured ]

Just a relevant question in regards to how concealed or disguised weapon is played. Does the play announce and reveal the conceal/disguise card and then pick up that card before playing the weapon card? Or does concealed/disguised plus the weapon need to be played at the same time? Andrew

<dal...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message news:1106309397.3...@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/f397c50d919990da -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. V:TES homepage: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ Though effective, appear to be ineffective -- Sun Tzu

Thanks LSJ! Andrew [ quoted text not captured ]