about tournament rules

I just read the tournament rules, and I have see that a tournament must have a least 3 round . So how is it possible that some player on the White wolf registry have rating with only 1 or 2 game ? (and some other had 9, and later 11 ...) Thanx. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8hiqjb$roh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, gang...@my-deja.com wrote: > I just read the tournament rules, and I have see that a tournament must > have a least 3 round . > So how is it possible that some player on the White wolf registry have > rating with only 1 or 2 game ? (and some other had 9, and later 11 ...) Um...they went home after round one or two? Perfectly legal. also the rules are for 3 rounds plus a final so; 9= 3+ 3+ 3 or; 11= 3+final +3+final +3 (and then don't make the final 'cos yer playing a duff Lasombra deck). It should be possible to play any number of games and still get a ranking. matt. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8hiqjb$roh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, gang...@my-deja.com wrote: > I just read the tournament rules, and I have > see that a tournament must have a least 3 round . Three Rounds and a Final (4 rounds Total) > So how is it possible that some player on the > White wolf registry have rating with only > 1 or 2 game ? Most likely the person had to bail out of the tourney before then end. > (and some other had 9, and later 11 ...) Multiple tourneys. Joe Churchill V:EKN Prince of Columbia, SC www.warghoul.com [ quoted text not captured ]

> Um...they went home after round one or two? Perfectly legal. and what if you have 8 players (or 12) to a tournament, and one leaves ? ?? I think that it is not fair to leave a tournament before the end... it is the best way for not going into the final and so not loose against the best player... [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8hivvi$vs6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, gang...@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Um...they went home after round one or two? Perfectly legal. > and what if you have 8 players (or 12) to a tournament, and one leaves ? > ?? > I think that it is not fair to leave a tournament before the end... it > is the best way for not going into the final and so not loose against > the best player... Sure, in an ideal world no one would leave before the end of a tournament. However, if you realise that you have constructed a steaming pile of a deck, getting beaten up by the other players for six hours is pretty rough. What if the tournament overruns for some reason? Your arguement seems to be that players could drop out before getting beaten by the good players in the final. To which the only answer is: beat them earlier. It's irritating to have to reorganise the pairings after someone drops out, but sort of the organisers taking the players hostage for 8 hours (min) there is little you can do. matt. "Hello and welcome to the 2001 V:TES UK nationals. Your armed judge for today is James 'Terminator' Coupe. You have 2 hours. No one makes it out alive. Play." [ quoted text not captured ]

> I just read the tournament rules, and I have see that a tournament must > have a least 3 round . > So how is it possible that some player on the White wolf registry have > rating with only 1 or 2 game ? (and some other had 9, and later 11 ...) I'm not sure about the 1 or 2 games, but the 9 and 11 are easy to explain. Until recently, tournaments had to consist of 4 rounds - 3 preliminary and 1 final. 9 games can = 3 tournaments w/o ever reaching the finals. 11 games can = 3 tournaments, 2 reaching the final and 1 w/o. Sorrow --- I keep telling them that I think they're out to get me. They ask me if I feel remose and I answer, "Why of course! There's so much more I could have done if they'd let me!" So it's Rorschach and Prozac and everything is groovy

In article <8hisie$t5i$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Joe C. <tzimi...@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <8hiqjb$roh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > gang...@my-deja.com wrote: > > I just read the tournament rules, and I have > > see that a tournament must have a least 3 round . > > Three Rounds and a Final (4 rounds Total) In fact, the rule said : 3.1. Round Structure V:TES tournaments shall consist of a minimum of three rounds. The five players with the highest total Victory Points from the preliminary two (or more) rounds advance to the final round. So, the total round can be 3 (2 Rounds and a Final) or 4 (3 Rounds and a Final) -- Khaleph Alendis, High Priest of Maizerets VEKN Setite Prince of Beauport http://cdd.citeweb.net/khaleph/ [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 gang...@my-deja.com wrote: > I think that it is not fair to leave a tournament before the end... it Fair or not, sometimes it happens, and has to. Were I to be running a tournament, the fact that, say, someone had just been called off because of an accident, or some other major personal crisis, would not impede the running of the tournament. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "I know my ex-boyfriend lies. Oh, he does it every time. It's just his permanent disguise, yeah, yeah, but he's drop dead gorgeous."

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 mgre...@my-deja.com wrote: > "Hello and welcome to the 2001 V:TES UK nationals. Your armed judge for > today is James 'Terminator' Coupe. You have 2 hours. No one makes it out > alive. Play." This sounds fun.... Do I get a nice shiny outfit, too? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Khaleph Alendis wrote: > So, the total round can be 3 (2 Rounds and a Final) or 4 (3 Rounds and > a Final) Interesting. The standard interpretation tends to be 3 rounds + final, but yours is supportable by the text of the rules. LSJ? [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, Khaleph Alendis wrote: > > So, the total round can be 3 (2 Rounds and a Final) or 4 (3 Rounds and > > a Final) > > Interesting. The standard interpretation tends to be 3 rounds + final, > but yours is supportable by the text of the rules. > > LSJ? The rules are clear on this point: V:TES tournaments shall consist of a minimum of three rounds. The five players with the highest total Victory Points from the preliminary two (or more) rounds advance to the final round. [VEKN 3.1]. The only interpretation I can see from that ("standard" or otherwise) is minimum of three rounds: two prelim. rounds plus a final round. The V:EKN rules differ from the old DCI rules on this point. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

about this players leaving before end of tournement...there are several reasons for this... 1) people who have travels distances to get there and have to get the train/bus home. this happens to us on a regular basis due to tournements running over and us having to get a train home - not our fault but if you want to argue with british rail.... 2)people not being very well. I have started tournement thinking !i'll be fine " and realiseing half way through that "no, i'm not fine" and having to pull out. I've never had anyone think it was becuase I was getting my ass kicked. cos normally, i get my ass kicked at tournements. 3) most of us work tournements around work so for some of us, we occassionally have to make it back for work or such like (example - matt green - who does do over 100 miles round trip to play and still makes it back for his work shift). I don't like leaving tournements early but its a bit selfish of you to think that I should stay cos the rules say so. I always try to do it fairly so that it doesn't botch up to many peoples games. just my half shilling on the topic, Anam

In article <8hivvi$vs6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, gang...@my-deja.com wrote: > > > Um...they went home after round one or two? Perfectly legal. > and what if you have 8 players (or 12) to a tournament, and one leaves ? > ?? > I think that it is not fair to leave a tournament before the end... it > is the best way for not going into the final and so not loose against > the best player... > Michael once had an asthma attack during a sealed-deck tournament and had to be invalided out after the second round. i really don't think the question of fairness comes into this! [ quoted text not captured ]

Stubby wrote: > > about this players leaving before end of tournement...there are > several reasons for this... > [snip] > I don't like leaving tournements early but its a bit selfish of you to > think that I should stay cos the rules say so. I always try to do it > fairly so that it doesn't botch up to many peoples games. Of course unexpected things can come up that would require a player to leave early. That's unfortunate, but should be handled by the judge. A player should, however, *plan* on attending the whole tournament. If you know in advance that you cannot stay for the whole tournament (or at the very least, *all* of the preliminary rounds), you should simply not attend the tournament at all. *Planning* to leave in the middle of the tournament (with all the problems that that causes) would not be fair. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:25:46 +0100, James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: >On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 mgre...@my-deja.com wrote: >> "Hello and welcome to the 2001 V:TES UK nationals. Your armed judge for >> today is James 'Terminator' Coupe. You have 2 hours. No one makes it out >> alive. Play." > >This sounds fun.... Do I get a nice shiny outfit, too? I guess we could paa a hat round or something for funds for the costume? Would you mind if 'shiny' actually equated to a binliner, gaffer tape and bendy straws sprayed silver and gold? : ) Regards, Mike Nudd VEKN Prince of London mi...@vekn.org.uk http://www.vtes.org.uk/