Betrayer skruu'd

Don't know if anyone mentioned this during discussions about the grouping rule (quick Google search came up empty), but it hoses the Betrayer deck. Ah well, c'est la vie. Another wallpaper card... chris -- chris shorb <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site) prince of torrance, california *** Into the abyss I'll fall - the eye of Horus Into the eyes of the night - watching me go Green is the cat's eye that glows - in this temple Enter the risen Osiris - risen again - Dickinson

Chris Shorb <chr...@vtesinla.org> wrote in message news:<3E9F9C84...@vtesinla.org>... > Don't know if anyone mentioned this during discussions about the > grouping rule (quick Google search came up empty), but it hoses the > Betrayer deck. IIRC, it was mentioned. But it only hoses one of the 2 types of betrayer decks. The version (Noal's?) with Uriah Winter and Seeds of Corruption still works. J

Chris Shorb wrote: > Don't know if anyone mentioned this during discussions about the > grouping rule (quick Google search came up empty), but it hoses the > Betrayer deck. Ah well, c'est la vie. Another wallpaper card... It doesn't hose the Betrayer card itself. But it does "hose" the "all-vampires-are-in-my-crypt" Betrayer deck. That hose was noted in the Gangrel antitribu newsletter July 2002. [Legbiter 08-JUL-2002] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

I've never heard of a Betrayer deck. Anyone kind enough to explain the concept and why the Group 3 ruling messes with it? Thanx. ------------------------- Love is what we're born with. Fear is what we learn here.

colind...@aol.com (Eryx) wrote: >I've never heard of a Betrayer deck. Anyone kind enough to explain the concept >and why the Group 3 ruling messes with it? Betrayer Deck uses a crypt that contains 1 copy of every vampire that exists (plus additional copies of select vampires). It then uses Recruitment to go into the crypt and search for a vampire controlled by its prey. Then uses Betrayer on that vampire. Repeat. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson

I see. Thanx for the heads up. [ quoted text not captured ]

(Jeroen) wrote: > Chris Shorb wrote: > > Don't know if anyone mentioned this during discussions about the > > grouping rule (quick Google search came up empty), but it hoses the > > Betrayer deck. > > IIRC, it was mentioned. But it only hoses one of the 2 types of > betrayer decks. The version (Noal's?) with Uriah Winter and Seeds of > Corruption still works. Yep, that deck concept of mine (Winter of My Betrayal) was unaffected by the grouping rule. For those who are unaware of the concept, it was something I came up with a few years ago and uses several of Uriah Winter, a few of Anson and a few random Princes with Thaumaturgy. The idea is to get your pool down to less than your prey, sending Uriah Winter to your prey. You then use one of the vampires with Thaumaturgy to slap a Seeds of Corruption to keep him in place by disabling his special ability. (Note: Seeds of Corruption does not concern itself with how advantageous or disadvatageous an ability is.) With a Uriah Winter controlled by your prey and a Uriah Winter in your uncontrolled region, use Anson & Parthenon to slap up to three Betrayers in place each turn. The reason that you want the other vampires to be Princes is that if you don't get Anson in your draw, you can pass Rumors of Gehenna to get the extra Master Phase action. It also helps give the deck access to other offensive tactics. (i.e, Parity Shift & KRC) Because of the fun that I had with Uriah Winter (Winter of My Betrayal; Uriah Winter, Trojan Horse of the Giovanni; etc.) I really wish that another vampire with the same ability would get created. It would be interesting to see how he'd work out with some of the newer vampires. Regards, Noal

dhar...@my-deja.com (Noal McDonald) wrote in message news:<bb705c59.03042...@posting.google.com>... > > Because of the fun that I had with Uriah Winter (Winter of My > Betrayal; Uriah Winter, Trojan Horse of the Giovanni; etc.) I really > wish that another vampire with the same ability would get created. It > would be interesting to see how he'd work out with some of the newer > vampires. > Wow, I hadn't heard of that one yet. What a wonderfully ingenious combo! (I love weird, convoluted stuff like that, especially if it works). Do you think anything can be done with Parmenides, the 4-cap Assamite with CEL qui and +1 strength? Your predator gets him for the turn after you influence him out of your uncontrolled region. Not as good a potential for forward motion, but who knows? Patrick van der Reest Columbus, OH

(Patrick van der Reest) wrote: > (Noal McDonald) wrote: > > Because of the fun that I had with Uriah Winter (Winter of My > > Betrayal; Uriah Winter, Trojan Horse of the Giovanni; etc.) I really > > wish that another vampire with the same ability would get created. It > > would be interesting to see how he'd work out with some of the newer > > vampires. > > Wow, I hadn't heard of that one yet. What a wonderfully ingenious > combo! (I love weird, convoluted stuff like that, especially if it > works). It did a fair job. It's not something that was terribly tournament viable, but it was a lot of fun to play in casual games. Ask some of the guys in Columbus about my Uriah Winter decks. Most of them have seen a few different incarnations. > Do you think anything can be done with Parmenides, the 4-cap Assamite > with CEL qui and +1 strength? That depends. Am I the predator playing my "Raped, Raved, Razed" deck? (Which seems to be the case every time I've seen him hit the table.) If so, certainly. The predator slaps a Fortitude card on him and then plays Rave, Force of Will & Daring the Dawn and it's bye, bye for the nice, young Assamite. :-) > Your predator gets him for the turn after you influence him > out of your uncontrolled region. Not as good a potential for > forward motion, but who knows? Single shot specials and effectss that only go upwind (target predator or grand-predator) tend to be nearly impossible to make the lynch pin of a deck concept. Regards, Noal

dhar...@my-deja.com (Noal McDonald) wrote in message news:<bb705c59.03042...@posting.google.com>... > > Do you think anything can be done with Parmenides, the 4-cap Assamite > > with CEL qui and +1 strength? > > That depends. Am I the predator playing my "Raped, Raved, Razed" deck? > (Which seems to be the case every time I've seen him hit the table.) > If so, certainly. The predator slaps a Fortitude card on him and then > plays Rave, Force of Will & Daring the Dawn and it's bye, bye for the > nice, young Assamite. :-) > > > Your predator gets him for the turn after you influence him > > out of your uncontrolled region. Not as good a potential for > > forward motion, but who knows? > > Single shot specials and effectss that only go upwind (target predator > or grand-predator) tend to be nearly impossible to make the lynch pin > of a deck concept. > I couldn't find much either, apart from alleviating the need for Spirit Marionetting the poor sod, of course :). Well, maybe some more fodder for nefarious tactics appears in this newest set. I'm pretty curious already. Blessings, [ quoted text not captured ]