thanks!

is this another one of those "just for the boys" newsgroups where one must go through a series of elaborate initiation ordeals alą the Freemasons or Illuminati whereupon you become being worthy of helping in order to have a simple question answered? pretty sad if that's the case. cheers!

Baron Silas Greenback <tmal...@yahoo.com> wrote: > is this another one of those "just for the boys" newsgroups where one > must go through a series of elaborate initiation ordeals alà the > Freemasons or Illuminati whereupon you become being worthy of helping in > order to have a simple question answered? ? No. > pretty sad if that's the case. Do you have a particular question in mind? I searched on DejaNews (thinking that your post was a result of an unanswered question you had posed), but DejaNews shows that you've only posted once to this group - the post quoted above. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

What was the question exactly ? L~R

> is this another one of those "just for the boys" newsgroups where one > must go through a series of elaborate initiation ordeals alą the > Freemasons or Illuminati whereupon you become being worthy of helping in > order to have a simple question answered? No (at least not that I've heard of :). In my experience almost all questions get answered quickly. Rules questions are almost always answered by a couple of people that (think they) know the answer like myself :) and then later confirmed or corrected by LSJ. The only time I've seen when you get a less than satisfactory response is when someone posts very aggressively on the subject of card limits. > pretty sad if that's the case. It would be. > cheers!

In article <36B1BF52...@yahoo.com>, Baron Silas Greenback <tmal...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Baron Silas Greenback <tmal...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > is this another one of those "just for the boys" newsgroups where one >> > must go through a series of elaborate initiation ordeals alà the >> > Freemasons or Illuminati whereupon you become being worthy of helping in >> > order to have a simple question answered? Hmm, nope, but it helps. I think the common waiting period for the initiation is now of over four years though. Still waiting myself. >wow! that's weird! did my question really not show up? it is in between >the "1-4 wakes useless" by PDB6 thread, and the "Official CL debate here!!!" >by John M.Baker thread. i've copied and pasted it again here. hopefully >it will work this time,.... Mmm, some posts get lost by servers, and then some get lost by careless removal of anything loosely related to the good old debate. I may have lost yours in the second way. Depends on the subject. Other subjects also get removed because I'm tired of seeing those cards discussed. Like ToR. >With the card protected resources, it says that a methuselah may not >bleed you for more than 2 blood. >Does that mean per turn? per vampire? or does it mean that once in >play, you may only be bled for 2 blood, full stop. no more until the >card leaves play. It's actually a vampire who can't bleed you for more than 2. That means that after all the +bleed and -bleed (telepathic counter, for example) given on that action, the remaining pool loss will be brought down to a maximum of two. In other words, you get bled for 5, but only lose two pool. Loss of two pool also counts for cards such as Dirty Little Secrets. Unfortunatly, it's no use to reduce the bleed through telepathic counter unless it would bring it BY ITSELF to 1 or less. Now, Protected Ressources does the same for the next vampire bleeding you too. That means that each vampire can bleed you for up to two, EACH. Don't forget not to bleed yourself though. Still, good card with bounce, as you are not bleeding yourself. >i would like to know, as my group of friends all have different >opinions as to the exact interpretation of the card text, based on whether >or not it is to their advantage. i hope to use it in a political deck, >killing my prey with things like kine resources contested and conservative >agitation, and anarch revolt, whilst they cannot bleed me, so i can tap >out. along with a few secure havens to protect my vampires from belligerent >brujah types. Better leave some vamps untapped and ready to bounce. Easy if playing Ventrue. Easier still with Majesty Untap and Freak Drive, that way they can still call votes. Or you could also use the Metro Underground. >it has all probably been done before, but oh well,....... >many thanks in advance for any sage insight from any wandering >rules gods that are in the vicinity. GOSH! I got a promotion! Bleu

In article <78t3uq$kba$1...@remarQ.com>, leg...@generation.net (Philippe Richer) wrote: > In article <36B1BF52...@yahoo.com>, Baron Silas Greenback <tmal...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >wow! that's weird! did my question really not show up? it is in between > >the "1-4 wakes useless" by PDB6 thread, and the "Official CL debate here!!!" > >by John M.Baker thread. i've copied and pasted it again here. hopefully > >it will work this time,.... Just an FYI, but this post hasn't reach DejaNews, either. I would check with whoever serves as your news server and see if they have circulation problems. DejaNews has probably the best news feed of anything, so if a message never gets there, there's something wrong somewhere along the way. Mike -- Mike Bohlmann, MAIP - Prince of Urbana-Champaign http://www.shout.net/~mbohlman/ [ quoted text not captured ]

Baron Silas Greenback wrote: > > Hello, > > With the card protected resources, it says that a methuselah may not > > bleed you for more than 2 blood. > > Does that mean per turn? per vampire? or does it mean that once in > > play, you may only be bled for 2 blood, full stop. no more until the > > card leaves play. Per bleed action. Every bleed action, regardless of the amount of the bleed, can remove no more than 2 of the protected Methuselah's pool. > i would like to know, as my group of friends all have different > opinions as to the exact interpretation of the card text, based on > whether or not it is to their advantage. i hope to use it in a > political deck, killing my prey with things like kine resources > contested and conservative agitation, and anarch revolt, whilst they > cannot bleed me, so i can tap out. along with a few secure havens to > protect my vampires from belligerent brujah types. Secure Haven is unique, by the way. [ quoted text not captured ]

Baron Silas Greenback...?... Was that the name of the enemy in the old cartoon Danger Mouse? I'm really curious because I'm I've heard that name before and I can't remember. Vince

Hi Baron$%& whatever, to answer your question : I think, it prevents you to be bled with more than 2 bleed per 'action'. So, for example, 'Inner Circle Members', having a base-bleed of three, are absolutely prevented from bleeding you, because no player can choose for his vampires to bleed with less bleed than aviable. Your P-deck idea you was describing works without 'Protected Ressources'. I won certain games under 4CL without knowing, that the card exists. Because of this I think, 'Protected Ressources' along with 'Archon Investigation' and 'Justicar Retribution' are only really usable agains good old S&B-decks. Ciao Chris -- Christian Wederhake caw...@gmx.net UIN:23584412 @Fan of CL@ "Wer einen Tippfehler findet, darf ihn behalten" Baron Silas Greenback wrote in his message <36B1BF52...@yahoo.com>... > >> > pretty sad if that's the case. >> Hello, >> With the card protected resources, it says that a methuselah may not >> bleed you for more than 2 blood. >> Does that mean per turn? per vampire? or does it mean that once in >> play, you may only be bled for 2 blood, full stop. no more until the >> card leaves play. >> thanks in advance. >> Silas > i would like to know, as my group of friends all have different opinions as to >the exact interpretation of the card text, based on whether or not it is to their >advantage. i hope to use it in a political deck, killing my prey with things like >kine resources contested and conservative agitation, and anarch revolt, whilst >they cannot bleed me, so i can tap out. along with a few secure havens to protect >my vampires from belligerent brujah types. > many thanks in advance for any sage insight from any wandering rules gods that >are in the vicinity. > Silas

LSJ wrote: Baron Silas Greenback <tmal...@yahoo.com> wrote: > is this another one of those "just for the boys" newsgroups where one > must go through a series of elaborate initiation ordeals alà the > Freemasons or Illuminati whereupon you become being worthy of helping in > order to have a simple question answered? ? No. > pretty sad if that's the case. Do you have a particular question in mind? I searched on DejaNews (thinking that your post was a result of an unanswered question you had posed), but DejaNews shows that you've only posted once to this group - the post quoted above. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own wow! that's weird! did my question really not show up? it is in between the "1-4 wakes useless" by PDB6 thread, and the "Official CL debate here!!!" by John M.Baker thread. i've copied and pasted it again here. hopefully it will work this time,.... Hello, With the card protected resources, it says that a methuselah may not bleed you for more than 2 blood. Does that mean per turn? per vampire? or does it mean that once in play, you may only be bled for 2 blood, full stop. no more until the card leaves play. thanks in advance. Silas i would like to know, as my group of friends all have different opinions as to the exact interpretation of the card text, based on whether or not it is to their advantage. i hope to use it in a political deck, killing my prey with things like kine resources contested and conservative agitation, and anarch revolt, whilst they cannot bleed me, so i can tap out. along with a few secure havens to protect my vampires from belligerent brujah types. it has all probably been done before, but oh well,....... many thanks in advance for any sage insight from any wandering rules gods that are in the vicinity. Silas .

"Christian Wederhake" <caw...@stud.uni-hannover.de> wrote: >Hi Baron$%& whatever, >to answer your question : >I think, it prevents you to be bled with more than 2 bleed per 'action'. >So, for example, 'Inner Circle Members', having a base-bleed of three, >are absolutely prevented from bleeding you, because no player can >choose for his vampires to bleed with less bleed than aviable. >Your P-deck idea you was describing works without 'Protected >Ressources'. I won certain games under 4CL without knowing, that >the card exists. Because of this I think, 'Protected Ressources' along >with 'Archon Investigation' and 'Justicar Retribution' are only really >usable agains good old S&B-decks. >Ciao >Chris While you are correct in citing that a Meth with a PR may not be bled for more than 2 pool per action, the card itself does not cancel the entire bleed. It will reduce bleeds for 3+ down to 2. Note, if you attempt to use Telepathic Counter or other bleed reduction sources, you have to reduce the _whole_ quantity of the original bleed amount. You can't start from where PR left off, so to speak. Regards, R. David Zopf guenh...@mindspring.com Atom Weaver

Vince Johnson wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Absolutely! Baron Silas was Danger Mouse's arch nemesis, his "Moriarty" so to speak. The Force is strong in you Vince, but you're not a Jedi yet. Silas.

> Absolutely! Baron Silas was Danger Mouse's arch nemesis, his "Moriarty" >so to speak. > The Force is strong in you Vince, but you're not a Jedi yet. > > Silas. Wow. I didn't think anyone would actually answer me there for awhile. Vince

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. Basically, the card limits the amount of pool you will burn on a given bleed action, rather than limiting the bleed amount itself, even though card text tends to favor the latter reading. [ quoted text not captured ]