Independant Voters becoming Camarilla

(yes, today is questions day before weird deck construction...) What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ? -- Orpheus http://cypheranima.free.fr http://no.exit.free.fr news://news.zoo-logique.org/VTES-francophone "After all, what is an angel but a demon yet to fall ?" (Nancy A. Collins)

Orpheus wrote: > > (yes, today is questions day before weird deck construction...) > > What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ? Yes. No. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> > What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does > > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ? > > Yes. No. > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com Thank you. Which brings one more question to my mind : what if a vampire with 2 votes gains a Princeship, does he lose his 2 original votes ? [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <aojmk4$cro$1...@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus <orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes: >What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does >he still have the 2 Votes ? Yes. The votes aren't tied to a sect or clan (unlike titles). >Is he considered a Prince ? No. You need the actual title for that. (Similarly, a vampire with 0 votes who gets a Legendary Vampire isn't suddenly a Prince either.) -- James Coupe PGP 0x5D623D5D Don't just clap. What's the use of that? EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 You there, gorgeous creature. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D Stop...that...bus!

Orpheus wrote: > > > > What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? > Does > > > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ? > > > > Yes. No. > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com > > Thank you. Which brings one more question to my mind : what if a vampire > with 2 votes gains a Princeship, does he lose his 2 original votes ? If the 2 votes are a title, yes. [RTR 10-NOV-1995] A vampire with a title who gains a new title loses the old one. [10] [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > > In message <aojmk4$cro$1...@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus > <orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes: > >What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does > >he still have the 2 Votes ? > > Yes. The votes aren't tied to a sect or clan (unlike titles). Careful - it is a title. The votes from the "MyName has 2 votes" title aren't tied to a sect or clan. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3DAD6812...@white-wolf.com>... > James Coupe wrote: > > > > In message <aojmk4$cro$1...@news-reader11.wanadoo.fr>, Orpheus > > <orph...@wanadoo.fr> writes: > > >What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? Does > > >he still have the 2 Votes ? > > > > Yes. The votes aren't tied to a sect or clan (unlike titles). > > Careful - it is a title. > The votes from the "MyName has 2 votes" title aren't tied to a sect > or clan. Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or camarilla titles?

In message <5a63bace.02101...@posting.google.com>, Chris Arthur <chr...@comcen.com.au> writes: >Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or >camarilla titles? The rulebook. See [6.3.4] and the fact that nowhere in the rulebook are these particular titles tied to clan or sect. [ quoted text not captured ]

>Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or >camarilla titles? Also storywise, because Thetmes (for example) gets his two votes because he is a big BADASS who rules in Alamut. If he were to join the Camarilla, they would not tell him to give up control of Alamut, so he would retain his political say in things. Princes, on the other hand, must answer to the Camarilla. It is the Camarilla organization itself which allows the vampire recognition as a Prince, and should he or she leave the Camarilla, they have no reason to allow the vampire Princeship. In short, if you got your power because a sect gave it to you, then leaving that sect means they will take it away. Independent vampires who have a say in politics are powerful because of what they have accomplished or seized, not what they have been appointed to. -- Brian

Chris Arthur wrote: > Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or > camarilla titles? The Camarilla titles are, by definition, Camarilla titles. The Sabbat titles are, by definition, Sabbat titles. "MyName has 2 votes" is not, by definition, an independent title. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:42:42 -0400, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> said: LSJ> Chris Arthur wrote: >> Why should "MyName has 2 votes" titles be any different from sabbat or >> camarilla titles? LSJ> The Camarilla titles are, by definition, Camarilla titles. LSJ> The Sabbat titles are, by definition, Sabbat titles. LSJ> "MyName has 2 votes" is not, by definition, an independent title. Now I'm confused. I thought the independent vampires with votes were considered to be titled vampires, for Free States Rant purposes etc.? //Petri

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. The title in question is not, however, a title that is tied to being Independent (contrast with "Bishop" which is a title that is tied to being Sabbat). [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3DAD67C9...@white-wolf.com>... > Orpheus wrote: > > > > > > What if an independant vampire with, say, 2 votes, becomes Camarilla ? > Does > > > > he still have the 2 Votes ? Is he considered a Prince ? > > > > > > Yes. No. > > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C879949.7E3DE60C%40white-wolf.com > > > > Thank you. Which brings one more question to my mind : what if a vampire > > with 2 votes gains a Princeship, does he lose his 2 original votes ? > > If the 2 votes are a title, yes. [RTR 10-NOV-1995] > > A vampire with a title who gains a new title loses the old one. [10] And this means that "the Baron" with Writ of acceptance and Praxis Seizure: Dallas would have 4 votes ? True or false ?? DJ Mik

>> If the 2 votes are a title, yes. [RTR 10-NOV-1995] >> >> A vampire with a title who gains a new title loses the old one. [10] > And this means that "the Baron" with Writ of acceptance and Praxis > Seizure: Dallas would have 4 votes ? > True or false ?? As stated, The Baron's 2 votes are a Title. So, no.