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Hi everybody just thought I would drop you this line Here are 4 new cards that came out of the new Jyhad(Vampire). Archon Investigation MooT,Only usable when a minion attempts to bleed you for more than 3 pool.The action is not successful.Burn acting minion.This is not considered diablerie. Elder Intervention:Reaction, Do not replace until after combat. Only usable after a bleed has been declared against you. This reacting vampire gets +2 intercept. Shadow of the beast Action(Protean,(1)) If this action succeeds,put this card on the acting vampire.The vampire gets one optional maneuvereach combat.A vampire may only have one Shadow of the Beast card.AS ABOVE,AND THIS VAMPIRE GETS AN OPTIONAL PRESS EACH COMBAT. Justicar Retribution PoA Political card-worth 1 vote called by any vampire at +1 stealth Successful vote burns all vampires with a current bleed of 3 or more. All of these cards are quoted to the exactly from the cards themselves I have these cards so there is know second hand information.Let me know what you think and if there is any other cards out there I have not seen yet. Errol

Before I could do anything to stop it, Errol T wrote: > Archon Investigation MooT,Only usable when a minion attempts to bleed you > for more than 3 pool.The action is not successful.Burn acting minion.This > is not considered diablerie. Well, this should hurt a few S&B decks. Is this a common, uncommon, or rare? I sure hope it's not rare. I've got about 5000 Jyhad cards, and I'm not anxious to have to buy a buttload of VTES to get a few of these. -- "It's at the end of his arm," thought Frito, nervously | Brian shaking it, "it's got to be a hand." | Wilson

I forgot to add in my post that Elder Intervention does require the Vampire to burn a blood.No skill is required though. Apparently a friend also stated that their is only 1 more new card(from Deulist#7) which is called Protected Resources(Rare). Other than Raven these are the new ones. Errol

Errol T thoughtfully stated: :: Justicar Retribution PoA Political card-worth 1 vote : called by any vampire at +1 stealth Successful vote burns all vampires : with a current bleed of 3 or more. : Errol Justicar Retribution can be called by any vampire? That seems odd. I guess they really decided to hose bleed deck. Pulse of the Canaille will be seen much less often. On the other hand, I can't imagine Justicar Retribution being seen often, either. There just aren't many vampires with bleed of 3 or more during another methuselah's turn. Except maybe the inner circle guys. Anyway.. that is my ramble for the moment... Ewok -- //\\\//\\\//\\\//\\\//\\\//\\\//\\\//\\\//\\\//\\ / Ewok Juan Burwell \ \ jmbu...@unix.amherst.edu jmbu...@amherst.edu / \\///\\///\\///\\///\\///\\///\\///\\///\\///\\//

Errol T (etre...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote: : Hi everybody just thought I would drop you this line : : Here are 4 new cards that came out of the new Jyhad(Vampire). : : Archon Investigation MooT,Only usable when a minion attempts to bleed you : for more than 3 pool.The action is not successful.Burn acting minion.This : is not considered diablerie. : : : Elder Intervention:Reaction, Do not replace until after combat. Only : usable after a bleed has been declared against you. This reacting vampire : gets +2 intercept. : : : Shadow of the beast Action(Protean,(1)) If this action succeeds,put this : card on the acting vampire.The vampire gets one optional maneuvereach : combat.A vampire may only have one Shadow of the Beast card.AS ABOVE,AND : THIS VAMPIRE GETS AN OPTIONAL PRESS EACH COMBAT. : : Justicar Retribution PoA Political card-worth 1 vote : called by any vampire at +1 stealth Successful vote burns all vampires : with a current bleed of 3 or more. : : All of these cards are quoted to the exactly from the cards themselves I : have these cards so there is know second hand information.Let me know : what you think and if there is any other cards out there I have not seen : yet. : : : : Errol : Yup, now im certain theyre trying to get wreck bleed decks . So much for (who the heck was it that came up with the theory that the spoil bleed deck cards would be balnced by other cards that wouild improve it) 's theory . Now to bring back some balance are we gonna have a card which burns vamps with more than x votes - i'd like to see that . Hmm justicar retribution - just makes you want to go out and have a non-vote deck with an inner circle vampire in the crypt.... amazing how expansions wreck game balance just glad im not buying VTES cards now how to deal with those that do.... time to dust off the gangrel deck JA Chapman

Errol T <etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> wrote: >Hi everybody just thought I would drop you this line >Here are 4 new cards that came out of the new Jyhad(Vampire). >Archon Investigation MooT,Only usable when a minion attempts to bleed you >Elder Intervention:Reaction, Do not replace until after combat. Only >Shadow of the beast Action(Protean,(1)) If this action succeeds,put this >Justicar Retribution PoA Political card-worth 1 vote Add : Protected Resources and Raven (Camille replacement) and kiss goodbye to: Camille Chainsaw Concealed Weapon Monocle of Clarity Movement of the Slow Body Roetschreck Rowan Ring with re-naming to (from): Dominate Kine (Kine Dominance) Gangrel Atavism (Gangrel De-evolution) Wooden Stake (Stake) --- There is only Blood and Fear...

In article <485d2i$o...@amhux3.amherst.edu> you wrote: : Justicar Retribution can be called by any vampire? That seems odd. : I guess they really decided to hose bleed deck. Exactly what im whinging about . An arbitrary HOSING of an entire strategy type . Anyone think this is maybe a marketing ploy to get all bleed-deck players to go out and buy a wholenew set of cards , while everyonbe else goes through heaps of boosters looking for this card ? Only to be followed up with a hoser to this and Archon Investigation to be released in DS or later so all the bleeders go and repurchase the cards theyve traded away and buy the new hoser-hosers . Would WOTC be that cheesy ? Never (cough car backs cough cough - though as a marketing ploy I would take my hat off to them for effectiveness , though the hat would be going over my butt as protection from any more 'attention' from those with the(my) cash ). Pulse of the Canaille : will be seen much less often. On the other hand, I can't imagine Justicar : Retribution being seen often, either. There just aren't many vampires with : bleed of 3 or more during another methuselah's turn. Except maybe the inner : circle guys. Anyway.. that is my ramble for the moment... Looks like the IC guys are gonna be reeeeeeeeeeeeal good value ...... Maybe Justicars , IC members shoulda been exeempt from the new cards ..... (hey who controls them archons anyway...?). : : Ewok JAC

: JA> In article <485d2i$o...@amhux3.amherst.edu> you wrote: : JA> : Justicar Retribution can be called by any vampire? That seems odd. : JA> : I guess they really decided to hose bleed deck. : This *does* seem odd. I would have though that it would only be : callable by a Justicar... : Wait a minute, this makes the new Inner Circle vampires wallpaper! Who : would ever want to invest 11 blood in a vampire that can be *burned* : by anyone, with no fear of retribution? Burned by anyone that can pass the vote, that is. Oh, and if the vote wasn't intercepted to begin with. Let's not forget: if you've got an IC member out, you've got 4 votes in your favor... My guess is that WotC is intending the following strategy to be used with regards to the IC members -- if you bring out the big guns, you better be able to protect them from assassins. In that respect, I like the new cards. With the addition of the expansion set, I would _hope_ that the game would also evolve, forcing us to come up with new strategies. Sure, a nice big IC member is cool to bring out, but can you _keep_ him/her out? -James

Petri Wessman <Petri....@hut.fi> wrote: >JA> : Justicar Retribution can be called by any vampire? That seems odd. >JA> : I guess they really decided to hose bleed deck. >This *does* seem odd. I would have though that it would only be >callable by a Justicar... >Wait a minute, this makes the new Inner Circle vampires wallpaper! Who >would ever want to invest 11 blood in a vampire that can be *burned* >by anyone, with no fear of retribution? And aren't the IC vamps >WotC (Tom?), did you guys screw up or are we overlooking something? Not a screwup. You don't always have to have a member of such-and-such a group in play in order to take advantage of that group in the backstory. Besides, the Inner Circle come with scads of votes. They're probably less vulnerable to Justicar Retribution than to Archon Investigation. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Thomas R Wylie (aa...@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote: : Not a screwup. You don't always have to have a member of such-and-such : a group in play in order to take advantage of that group in the backstory. : Besides, the Inner Circle come with scads of votes. They're probably less : vulnerable to Justicar Retribution than to Archon Investigation. I'm a little confused. Do the Inner Circle vampires come in the V:TES sets? Or are they a whole seperate package. I was wondering because V:TES says that no vampire can obtain a blood level over ten without card modifiers. Can anyone clear this up?

[ quoted text not captured ] The Inner Circle vampires will be in Dark Sovereigns. J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com> PGP keys by request Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

>Do you play political decks much, Tom? Almost any presence-based vote >deck will have no trouble passing JR even over the objections of an IC >vampire. Ventrue typically will have 2 princes, the Ventrue Headquarters, >and a Bewitching Oration (12 votes). Toreador will just Telepathic Vote >Count the IC vampire out. Brujah might have some trouble, but typically >they can torporize a hostile voting vampire or two, Bewitch, and go to >town. If you have arbitrary vote pushing, this just gets worse. > >An IC vampire is safe only in a political deck. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WRONG!!!!!!! A IC vamp is in trouble if there is a vote deck at the table is what you ment to say. So answer me this question to all who are reading this post of Curts are you going to play High powered Vote decks every single game because you fear a IC vampire might come out? Yeah I thought so,might get kind of boring huh! So why don't we wait to see what the DS expansion has before we start making opinions on cards none of us have yet to see, and what other cards might change the ones already out,or the ones we have only had a sneak peek at. Errol

P.S. Curt did you ever think that the vote could be intercepted instead of letting it pass I see the 3 Ic Vamps in Duelist #7 all Have Auspex Gee how do like that eh! Errol

In article <48lrb5$h...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca> Errol T <etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes: > >So answer me this question to all who are reading this post of Curts are >you going to play High powered Vote decks every single game because you >fear a IC vampire might come out? Yeah I thought so,might get kind of >boring huh! Well, people /are/ playing high-powered vote decks in Jyhad, long before any IC vampire or AR (?) is in print. -- "Live Life with Heart." Alan Kwan kw...@cs.cornell.edu

In article <48lrb5$h...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>, Errol T <etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes: > I write: >>An IC vampire is safe only in a political deck. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > WRONG!!!!!!! >A IC vamp is in trouble if there is a vote deck at the table is what you >ment to say. You are correct in that if nobaody is playing a political deck, then the IC vampire is in minimal danger. However, vote is a basic strategy, and I usually see at least one vote deck in a decent-sized game. >So answer me this question to all who are reading this post of Curts are >you going to play High powered Vote decks every single game because you >fear a IC vampire might come out? No, I wouldn't always play a vote deck. But somebody usually will. When you're designing a deck, you do not know that there won't be any voters at the table. So you have a very good reason to include no IC vampires.

In article <48ls81$i...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>, Errol T <etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Sure, I'm aware of that: A Ventrue vote deck would Seduce the IR vampire first. A Toreador vote deck would call it as the 4th or 5th vote of the turn. A Brujah vote deck would be perfectly happy; it could just kill the IR vampire with combat rather than a vote. Naturally having a Justicar Retribution doesn't guarantee that you can call and pass it. But, seriously, a good vote deck will often call and pass votes. Burning vampires of that importance is quite unprecedented in the current vote collection.

On 18 Nov 1995 17:40:54 -0500, curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) said: CurtAdams> Do you play political decks much, Tom? Almost any CurtAdams> presence-based vote deck will have no trouble passing JR CurtAdams> even over the objections of an IC vampire. Ventrue CurtAdams> typically will have 2 princes, the Ventrue Headquarters, CurtAdams> and a Bewitching Oration (12 votes). Toreador will just CurtAdams> Telepathic Vote Count the IC vampire out. Brujah might CurtAdams> have some trouble, but typically they can torporize a CurtAdams> hostile voting vampire or two, Bewitch, and go to town. If CurtAdams> you have arbitrary vote pushing, this just gets worse. ... not to mention Cryptic Rider. :-) A couple of factors make bringing out IC vampires pretty dangerous due to the new "vote to burn" card: o *Everyone* else on the table will be voting against you. Those votes stack up fast. o If you've invested 11 blood on an IC member it's quite possibly be the only titled vampire you have due to the pure cost of the thing. That means that you're depending on the 4 votes the IC has and the cards in your hand to protect the IC -> you have to play a political deck. In other deck types it has "Burn Me" written all over it. ... besides, since when could lowly Justicars burn Inner Circle members? Oh well, just my <insert value> Finnish pennies... //Petri

Dr. Who <dr...@cais2.cais.com> wrote: >I'm a little confused. Do the Inner Circle vampires come in the V:TES >sets? Or are they a whole seperate package. I was wondering because V:TES >says that no vampire can obtain a blood level over ten without card >modifiers. Can anyone clear this up? The Inner Circle vampires come in Dark Sovereigns. The rulebook only says that vampires from the basic game can only get to capacity 11+ by way of adding cards to them, not that it's impossible for vampires to start at 11. [ quoted text not captured ]

I guess mabe our play groups are of different sizes I rarly see a vote deck. Errol

curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: >In article <48ls81$i...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>, Errol T ><etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes: > >>P.S. Curt did you ever think that the vote could be intercepted instead >>of letting it pass I see the 3 Ic Vamps in Duelist #7 all Have Auspex Gee > >>how do like that eh! > >Sure, I'm aware of that: > >A Ventrue vote deck would Seduce the IR vampire first. >A Toreador vote deck would call it as the 4th or 5th vote of the turn. >A Brujah vote deck would be perfectly happy; it could just kill the IR >vampire with combat rather than a vote. > Yeah ok sure, although the brujah IC would not be so easy to kill in combat. >Naturally having a Justicar Retribution doesn't guarantee that you can >call and pass it. But, seriously, a good vote deck will often call and >pass votes. Burning vampires of that importance is quite unprecedented in >the current vote collection. > Still I think I will enjoy the challenge of playing one of these Vamps. Errol

Errol T <etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes: >curt...@aol.com (CurtAdams) wrote: >>In article <48ls81$i...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>, Errol T >><etre...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes: > >>>P.S. Curt did you ever think that the vote could be intercepted instead >>>of letting it pass I see the 3 Ic Vamps in Duelist #7 all Have Auspex Gee > >>>how do like that eh! > >>Sure, I'm aware of that: > >>A Ventrue vote deck would Seduce the IR vampire first. >>A Toreador vote deck would call it as the 4th or 5th vote of the turn. >>A Brujah vote deck would be perfectly happy; it could just kill the IR >>vampire with combat rather than a vote. >Yeah ok sure, although the brujah IC would not be so easy to kill in >combat. Right, there are things to be done to any of these tactics, especially the last. >>Naturally having a Justicar Retribution doesn't guarantee that you can >>call and pass it. But, seriously, a good vote deck will often call and >>pass votes. Burning vampires of that importance is quite unprecedented in >>the current vote collection. > >Still I think I will enjoy the challenge of playing one of these Vamps. Perfectly understandable. The original comment, I believe, was whether WotC considered the effect of JR on the Inner Circle vampires. If you bring one out, that one vote basically means you lose (if it passes). This is kind of an unprecedented event in Jyhad - there are very few decks so utterly destroyed by one vote (Garou decks and Kindred Segregation is the only example I can think of). I don't believe that makes for a fun game, when one action can mean you might as well go home. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)