Precedence Question (again...) [LSJ]

Hi! What resolves first in the beginning of a combat before range is set, if a minion has Shakles of ... and the opposing Metuselah controls an Elysium:Arboretum? And between 2 minions in combat both with Shakles of...? Thanks. .- Luis....@ip.pt

In article <370a0...@news.ip.pt>, Luis P. Duarte <Luis....@ip.pt> writes >Hi! > >What resolves first in the beginning of a combat before range >is set, if a minion has Shakles of ... and the opposing Metuselah controls >an Elysium:Arboretum? >And between 2 minions in combat both with Shakles of...? If they both work before range, whoever controls the acting minion goes first. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.obeah.demon.co.uk

In article <LArRI3AV...@obeah.demon.co.uk>, James Coupe <ve...@obeah.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In article <370a0...@news.ip.pt>, Luis P. Duarte <Luis....@ip.pt> > writes > >Hi! > > > >What resolves first in the beginning of a combat before range > >is set, if a minion has Shakles of ... and the opposing Metuselah controls > >an Elysium:Arboretum? > >And between 2 minions in combat both with Shakles of...? > > If they both work before range, whoever controls the acting minion goes > first. Hm, isn't Shackles unique? That would mean the second part of Luis' question is moot. Carl (VEKN Prince of Vienna) -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

James Coupe <ve...@obeah.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Luis P. Duarte <Luis....@ip.pt> writes > >What resolves first in the beginning of a combat before range > >is set, if a minion has Shakles of ... and the opposing Metuselah controls > >an Elysium:Arboretum? > >And between 2 minions in combat both with Shakles of...? > > If they both work before range, whoever controls the acting minion goes > first. Correct. At every stage (like "before range", for example), the acting Methuselah gets the opportunity to play the next effect. And Shackles is unique, so both minions cannot have (uncontested) Shackles, as Carl pointed out in another article in this thread. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) VTES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/VTES_Rules.html [ quoted text not captured ]

> LSJ (and maybe Rob Goudie) - Hello -Question 1 for LSJ/Rob. I have not found any rulings for the Sabbat forced withdrawal rules in either the REC (Rulings/Errata/Clarifications) or the DCI floor rules. What are the current rulings for tournaments?Question 2 for LSJ. I am equipped with an Assault Rifle. I block a vampire. Then another vampire of the other Meth plays hidden lurker. In the second combat, can I use the maneuver from the Assault Rifle? One side says no, because I cannot have a strike, so I am precluded from using the AR's maneuver, which would commit me to that strike, which I can't use. I don't have an argument in teh other direction. Thanks, Chris -- Chris Shorb, Rivers '84 Reunion Chairbot, by default Tammy Martin, Queen of the Eastern Marches, and damn good mom Alexander Shorb, little guy who could

Chris Shorb & Tammy Martin wrote: > Question 2 for LSJ. I am equipped with an Assault Rifle. I block a vampire. Then > another vampire of the other Meth plays hidden lurker. In the second combat, can I > use the maneuver from the Assault Rifle? One side says no, because I cannot have a > strike, so I am precluded from using the AR's maneuver, which would commit me to > that strike, which I can't use. I don't have an argument in teh other direction. I believe you may still use the maneuver from the weapon. Using the Assault Rifle (or whatever weapon) would just mean that if you had a strike, you would have to use that weapon's strike. p.

Chris Shorb & Tammy Martin wrote: > > LSJ (and maybe Rob Goudie) - > > Hello -Question 1 for LSJ/Rob. I have not found any rulings for the Sabbat > forced withdrawal rules in either the REC (Rulings/Errata/Clarifications) or the > DCI floor rules. What are the current rulings for tournaments? The Sabbat Forced Withdrawal rule is no longer part of the rules at all, in any format. DCI Tournaments use the official, standard (, V:TES) withdrawal rules, as they appear in the Revised Rulebook. > Question 2 for > LSJ. I am equipped with an Assault Rifle. I block a vampire. Then another > vampire of the other Meth plays hidden lurker. In the second combat, can I use > the maneuver from the Assault Rifle? One side says no, because I cannot have a > strike, so I am precluded from using the AR's maneuver, which would commit me to > that strike, which I can't use. I don't have an argument in teh other direction. You cannot use a maneuver from a strike that you can't use. So, in the first round of a Hidden Lurker combat, the "victim" cannot maneuver with a gun. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <370D8DAE...@cmn.net>, Patrick Harris <pha...@cmn.net> writes >> Question 2 for LSJ. I am equipped with an Assault Rifle. I block a vampire. >Then >> another vampire of the other Meth plays hidden lurker. In the second combat, >can I >> use the maneuver from the Assault Rifle? One side says no, because I cannot >have a >> strike, so I am precluded from using the AR's maneuver, which would commit me >to >> that strike, which I can't use. I don't have an argument in teh other >direction. > >I believe you may still use the maneuver from the weapon. Using the Assault >Rifle >(or whatever weapon) would just mean that if you had a strike, you would have to >use >that weapon's strike. This is, I believe, correct. [ quoted text not captured ]